should this be my problem ?my car is dead.....

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is this my problem or the wrokshop's ?

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Post by Bennoz »

Sorry Dannyboy - think you misunderstood me. I agree with you on the foreign object theory all the way.

My wager is that I think the foreign object that got in there was the washer of this manifold stud.... as you cant get at it with your fingers once the nut is off, when removing the manifold.

And my guess is the mechanic left it on there, forgot about it & when the manifold was pulled off - that washer fell straight into the inlet manifold

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All the talk about pistons & bores was just me and my weird fetish of seeing damamged bits :P
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Low and behold - a motor on Ebay... already in peices too

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/mitsubishi-fto-m ... otohosting

Maybe make him an offer for the head & a piston...
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Post by dannyboyau »

bennoz i understood

i agreed with you about it most likely being the manifold washer

i would not bet against you

i think you would win the bet
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My bad! :oops: Just re-read what you said

Being surrounded by all this chingrish has damaged my english... :lol:
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hahahha be soon one of us u become :twisted:
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no problems mate

We all make mistakes some times
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Post by Bennoz »

FTO338 wrote:hahahha be soon one of us u become :twisted:
Noooooooo!!! :lol:
dannyboyau wrote:no problems mate

We all make mistakes some times
Im having a shocker this week.....wrote a great big reply to a post last night, only to find I was on a complete tangent that really didnt have anything to do with the original issue :oops:

I think its time for a beer.... Then again, that may be the problem :? :lol:
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dannyboyau wrote:well Bennoz

The workshop owes you a new engine, you will probably have to take them to consumer protection. Maybe they workshop owner will come to the party when presented with the facts and that you are going to consumer protection.
omg....now u tell me...im just about to go check out some new engines....
but it was a good job of u did....
what do i do now ???.....i really feel bad saying this stuff to the workshop...
is there any more obvious proof i can say for someone else to understand ?....
am i asking too much quesions...its the 6th page now?... :oops:
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Well heres come the hard part now, its really your words against his. Like i said on page 2, he stated that, you were told two washer was missing on the manifold before work.

And you said you didn't remember he said anything like that. So its going to be a pretty tough one to proof whether is Alex or the previous guy or someone else...... :?
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but could this be possible the previos guy who did it ??


because it is impossible for me not to hear it....no matter how loud my tappets were...(and they were not THAT LOUD u know what i mean ? )
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Post by kid_dynamite »

Bad luck mate, only just read this thread..

Kev's right. Your word against theirs.

However if things start to go pear shaped and you're not happy with the resolution of the events, consider contacting Consumer Affairs. They have a fund that will cover you for up to $40k for financial loss through a motor trader.

Don't feel bad about considering this path. That's what it's there for, to protect consumers. My gf had to use the equivalent body in NSW when some hassles came up with mechanics here. Without them she would have got nowhere.
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but what if the mechanic say that its not my problem.....and giveing reasons from his point of view....
which will win..?

so what i say is that a mechanic on fto-club had the statement that its his fault and do a print out ect..
is that it ?
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Post by EURO »

you cant quote any one from the fto club.....

what you need to do is get as much information as you can from what you already know, or from learninng and taking advice from the people here (or elsewhere) and then seek legal advice.

You really need the car ' visually ' assessed by an outside party - peoples comments from here wont help you from a legal perspective.
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u mean for example take the car to another place....and write an report of some sort ?
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Euro is correct, from a legal point of view, you need hard evidence that proof his or the workshop had causes this problem.

We can only help & guide you as much as we can, but at the end of the day, what we wrote here will not stand a chance in any legal system, as anyone can write anything in a public forum, plus none of us had actually witness the issue from the start.

If the old work shop that you took to are willing write a full report stated all the parts that are damaged was in tip top condition before you took it in, then you might stand a chance, other then that, like I said, its your words against his.
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have you got the old spark plugs that were taken out and the new spark plugs that where put in.

the old spark plugs will show what condition the motor was in when it went into the workshop.

go and speak to RACV and consumer protection.
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i already spoken to consumer protection they want me to go and get a report on it

have any one done the RACV report thing ?
do u think it will cost a lot.. ?

i think im giving up on this....if its going to cost heaps... :cry:
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You can try to call VACC & RACV on Monday & see how they can help you regarding to reports.
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Post by khunjeng »

going back about 20 replies I've never seen this kind of damage before..mind u I havn't looked at that many engines :P this is one good reason to have your tappets adjusted so if there are any funny sounds u should be able to pick them up....I'm suprised the car was running ok...I mean one cylinder must have been doing some wierd stuff on the compression stroke and also when the exhaust valve opened..
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Post by dannyboyau »

the damage done to the piston and head is from a foriegn object.

most likely something was dropped into the inlet runner whilst the manifold was off

get the car inspected by the RACV and have them do a report so you can go to consumer protection.

how many people work in this workshop?

Call them all as witnesses, they won't all lie under oath
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