Totally confused about fuel

MADFTO · Post by **MADFTO** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:33 am

His post didn't ask a question but you still have a debunk a point made if it's wrong =P Otherwise there might be confusion =)

FTO338 · Post by **FTO338** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:30 pm

khunjeng wrote:
to stop all the debate chekc this out from FTO-WA. Should answer every1s questions based on real tests:

These are really good reads:
http://www.ftowa.com/html/workshop/workshopart05.html
http://www.ftowa.com/html/workshop/workshopart06.html

In the end...no real benifit was shown.

What i like to point out is that fuel today and fuel in 2002 (Aritcle was written in Sept 02) are different. So maybe RichardH would like to do that test again. Optimax for one had changed their formula from good to bad.

I've also post a thread a while back that said "bottled fuel addictive" isn't really adding ron to the fuel, they just ingredients to fool the ECU and made it think its on higher ron. They actually will damage your car if you do lots of short trips. I've got these information from the company who actually made these stuff.

BTW, thanks Eric, just a quick one, have you ever catch up with RichardH or any other W.A boys seen you arrived there?

khunjeng · Post by **khunjeng** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 4:39 pm

thats a good point about the changes in fuel mixture since then. However the ECU behaviour remians the same. The ECU base and advance map would have been desigend for 100RON however the amount the timing will be retarded with the stock ecu obviusly isn't much as we can't tell the difference. If its only 1-3kw on a dyno its hardly conclusive as so many factors will effect your dyno run(s).

some tests would be good and more info on the FTO maps..

MADFTO · Post by **MADFTO** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 12:15 pm

Nah, I haven't yet =)

I must admit I've been hell busy around here and haven't made time to meet up with the guys =)

Nacho · Post by **Nacho** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 8:47 am

So when you say "bottled fuel additive" you mean Octane Booster?

FTO338 · Post by **FTO338** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 9:37 am

Yes, but not "Red Bull" or "V"

zuihoujueding · Post by **zuihoujueding** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 12:17 pm

jonowong wrote:hes post didnt ask a question......

his post was an attempt to join a conversation 3 years ago...

3years ago? did not notice it. anyway, just felt like saying something. no i dotn own an fto. but certainly want to learn more about it. cheers!

Nacho · Post by **Nacho** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:02 am

FTO338 wrote:Yes, but not "Red Bull" or "V"

Speaking of which, have you seen those NOS drinks they sell at Autobarn? Wonder what they taste like?

lawrencetlc · Post by **lawrencetlc** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:49 pm

since you guys mention the 100 RON and 98 RON and booster thing, i went online and checked for the "united fuel" which states that they have 10% alcohol (ethanol) in their petrol and they claim it to increase the boost... and then again i went to check with the "federation chamber of automotive industries" and they say that all mitsubishi models can be filled with 10% ethanol...

and when the regular petrol 91RON is say 121.9 (which is very rare, but today it is!), the 95RON united petrol with 10% alcohol is only 118.9... that's a huge difference between the normal close-to 140 cents per litre for a 98RON petrol right??

so, any comment in this area??

FTO338 · Post by **FTO338** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 8:04 pm

The Federal Goverment are so full of sh*t, not long ago, they said ethanol are illegal as they are bad for cars...blah blah blah. Now they say is alright to have them.

I remember cop use to pop your bonnet and check if you got ethanol injection setup. If you do, is bye bye car.

Btw i'm sure that Federation Chamber haven't include imports in their so called finding.

lawrencetlc · Post by **lawrencetlc** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 8:46 pm

so do we need to have any mods of the engine to use the ethanol petrol??

anyway, i've tried RON 95 two weeks ago and i have an additional of 100km compared with RON91 fuel.... well, not sure whether it is because i shift gears earlier or its a real fuel-saving thing...

anyway will have a 1 month trial and see what happens

FTO338 · Post by **FTO338** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:09 pm

I feel so sorry for your FTO

zuihoujueding · Post by **zuihoujueding** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:13 pm

lawrencetlc wrote:so do we need to have any mods of the engine to use the ethanol petrol??

anyway, i've tried RON 95 two weeks ago and i have an additional of 100km compared with RON91 fuel.... well, not sure whether it is because i shift gears earlier or its a real fuel-saving thing...

anyway will have a 1 month trial and see what happens

According to NRMA testing, if your car manual state that it accepts 91ron, then pumping 95ron and above would be a waste of money. iT mainly for those higher-end engines and marketing.
100km more when switching up to 95ron? that sounds impossible but still good to hear that.

FTO338 · Post by **FTO338** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:24 pm

hmmm that sound just like the post in one of the previous page and i'm sure a member had pointed out that those review are done on your average corolla, camry and the like. So whats the point of bringing it up to compare to a car like FTO which had been design to run on 100ron.

I'm pretty much sick of this topic over the years, is the same, every couple of month you get people who always think they are saving money by using low grade fuel.

Just get a Scooter or like tarkus said, get a push bike.

rnbboi · Post by **rnbboi** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:19 pm

Nacho wrote:
FTO338 wrote:Yes, but not "Red Bull" or "V"
Speaking of which, have you seen those NOS drinks they sell at Autobarn? Wonder what they taste like?

YES I HAVE SEEN IT! havent tried it though... tempting lol...

anyway, i've tried RON 95 two weeks ago and i have an additional of 100km compared with RON91 fuel.... well, not sure whether it is because i shift gears earlier or its a real fuel-saving thing...

like FTO338 said... feel so sry for you bro. Btw, doesnt your car ping like a b*tch when running such low octane...?

My car is rather sensitive to it that its not funny...

FTO-101 · Post by **FTO-101** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:49 pm

i have not even tried anything below BP Ultimate or Shell Optimax in my FTO and never will its not worth doing that to an engine thats design to run high octone fuels .
might be cheaper to fill up 91 ron but more expensive to fix if something goes wrong
even my '84 twin cam corolla gets at least 95 ron

MADFTO · Post by **MADFTO** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 11:42 am

FTOs aren't designed to be run on 91 Octane Fuel.

Simple and clear cut.

Sure, it'll get by on 91ron fuel, but it won't be too happy and you'll probably shorten the life expectancy of the engine and I wouldn't be surprised if it threw a piston at some point if you open it up at one point. 10:1 compression ratio and detonation = bad.

You have been warned =P

This is the last time I'm gonna say this for this year =)