should this be my problem ?my car is dead.....

SILVERFISH · Post by **SILVERFISH** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 5:07 pm

FTO338 wrote: I heard some really bad story about them......

thanks for the warning kev

Nacho · Post by **Nacho** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 5:42 pm

It was Nizpro and EKW (Melbourne) who quoted me around $800 to $1300 for a MIVEC engine depending on the kms it had done. Mind you that was 3 years ago when I last asked.

mrx · Post by **mrx** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 6:10 pm

Well, they aint quoting that now....but they did say they would do $1850 delivered to Adelaide.

Just a shame that they dont have one like they thought they did...

mrx · Post by **mrx** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 6:12 pm

FTO338 wrote:
S1LVERFISH wrote:poster... if you're after a non-mivec engine to save a few $$$
http://www.hondaspares.com.au/index.htm

spoke to the fella there today on an unrelated topic and asked
him about engines for ya. no mivecs in stock but he's got a couple
2nd hand non-mivecs. he said around $1100.
dunno how much they go for elsewhere.

i'll let you know if i track down a mivec for ya
I heard some really bad story about them......

Yeah, but you only have to buy the engine from them, and get a workshop you trust to fit the thing. They are not really responsible for the quality of the engine as such - comes out of the crate and into their stock.

poster · Post by **poster** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 9:13 pm

is there a reason for the crazy knocking noises that i was talking about on the first page ?

ok....i guess i reall need to go there tomorrow and take more pictures...
and i will tell him to open the engine up more.....
and photos will be up tomorrow night!.....

dannyboy/bennoz......where are u located ??Location: that speck disappearing in the distance....is that it ?
by any chance of u be able to come down from the distance and have a look for me....

Post by **Bennoz** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 9:17 pm

I think dannyboy is WA & Im Syd...

Just get some clear pics & we'll have a look. Pics of both the piston, the block & the head.

Dannyboys onto something with the theory of a foreign object being in the cylinder - It would certainly explain the noise.

FTO338 · Post by **FTO338** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 9:38 pm

mrx wrote:
FTO338 wrote:
S1LVERFISH wrote:poster... if you're after a non-mivec engine to save a few $$$
http://www.hondaspares.com.au/index.htm

spoke to the fella there today on an unrelated topic and asked
him about engines for ya. no mivecs in stock but he's got a couple
2nd hand non-mivecs. he said around $1100.
dunno how much they go for elsewhere.

i'll let you know if i track down a mivec for ya
I heard some really bad story about them......
Yeah, but you only have to buy the engine from them, and get a workshop you trust to fit the thing. They are not really responsible for the quality of the engine as such - comes out of the crate and into their stock.

Lets put it this way, these guys are the last bunch of people I go to if I'm looking for parts for any car. I know lots of people already complant just about any parts they got from them. Like you said, they will tell you they would not take any responsibility even if they sold you something that never work at the first place.

dannyboyau · Post by **dannyboyau** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 11:28 pm

poster wrote:is there a reason for the crazy knocking noises that i was talking about on the first page ?

In my opinion The lack of damage outside the squish areas says to me that what caused the noise was when it was getting sandwiched between the head and piston and when it fell into the other areas it just cleaned the carbon off as there was enough clearance for the piston to go up and down. The noise would go away when it jammed between the valve and the valve seat, then come back again when it dislodged.

poster wrote: dannyboy/bennoz......where are u located ??Location: that speck disappearing in the distance....is that it ?
by any chance of u be able to come down from the distance and have a look for me....

perth

poster · Post by **poster** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 8:16 pm

ok..i think i have made the decision on what im goign to do
im looking for a new engine to put in and dont konw what to do with old one maybe sell some parts....

the piston
http://img63.imageshack.us/my.php?image ... 6669wy.jpg

the block
http://img83.imageshack.us/my.php?image ... 6664qo.jpg

the valves
http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image ... 8899mn.jpg

the broken spark plug (dont know how this can happen...)
http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image ... 6545nt.jpg

there is abit more pics on these just on a different angle....but dont know if that will do any help....

any comments will be great

khunjeng · Post by **khunjeng** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 8:47 pm

yeah would make total sense regardng an "extar bit" floating around...the piston can't get that high without some help

plus might explain the damaged plug...totoally dodgy and its obviously something was dropped in. OMG

poster · Post by **poster** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 9:02 pm

do u guys still think that this is because the last machnic who did this ? (about 1 year and 3months ago)

could i still have a chance to have someone else buying me an engine for me ?

what are u guys thinking ?

and i did saw someone voted that its my fault....hehe i like it dont have anytime aginst u....but i just want to know why....

Post by **Bennoz** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 9:43 pm

Poster can you email me all the pics in hi res please

Hit the email button under my post

poster · Post by **poster** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 10:52 pm

email has been send....took me a long time to load this pics...hehe

thanks for your help...

poster · Post by **poster** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:38 am

got a question on getting a new engine...

what should i be looking out for to see if this engine is good or not ?

if i use to a manual fto..should i be looking for a manual engine ?
thanks

dannyboyau · Post by **dannyboyau** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 1:46 am

the pics of the piston are too small to see anything.

was the pic of the spark plug the new spark plug that was just changed or the old spark plug that was taken out

mrx · Post by **mrx** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 8:11 am

poster wrote:got a question on getting a new engine...

what should i be looking out for to see if this engine is good or not ?

if i use to a manual fto..should i be looking for a manual engine ?
thanks

Engine is an engine - doesn't matter what transmission it had. Chances are they wouldn't know either.

The only thing they can really check is compression - the rest is just "hit and hope" really.

FTO338 · Post by **FTO338** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:14 am

dannyboyau wrote:the pics of the piston are too small to see anything.

was the pic of the spark plug the new spark plug that was just changed or the old spark plug that was taken out

The spark plug in the pic is new, the old one looks like been in a BBQ, pure charco black.

Post by **Bennoz** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 11:25 am

Here's the hi res pics

Im willing to lay a wager that what fell in was the washer off the end stud of the inlet manifold.... the one you cant get your finger in to remove before pulling the manifold up.

Have a look at the piston in the first pic closely - The piston has been compressed that hard by the object that it has actually mushroomed the metal out. Its pushed out that far you can see the distance that is usually between the bore & piston is gone on the top & bottom edges. Its also scraped the bore as a result, you can see the mark up the front edge of it...

SG · Post by SG » Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:06 pm

got it pretty clean though

ok thats not funny...

dannyboyau · Post by **dannyboyau** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:18 pm

well Bennoz

I won't take that wager

The ringlands all look like they are intact.

I would say definatly foriegn object damage.

Considering that the mechanic would look at it and know that too and made other excuses, makes me believe that they know they dropped something in there and don,t want to pay for the damage they caused.

The old spark plug was in good condition so you know that it happened during or after the spark plug change. Because damage to the new spark plug is enough proof that there was foriegn object flying around the cylinder. Remember the piston goes up and down about 2000 times, when you run the engine on idle for a couple of minutes

The workshop owes you a new engine, you will probably have to take them to consumer protection. Maybe they workshop owner will come to the party when presented with the facts and that you are going to consumer protection.

FTO AUSTRALIA

should this be my problem ?my car is dead.....

is this my problem or the wrokshop's ?