smorison taken my money and run?

[ruchi]

Sounds like common-sense to me. Although as a wise person once said, unfortunately common sense ain't that common!

The club is actively pursuing ways to help its members in terms of such things as financial benefits and product development. e.g. discount car insurance

Any business looking to strike up a relationship with this club would come and visit the website. If they come across a misleading heading like this, which portrays the head of this club in a negative light, then it will effect the perception they have of this club and jeopardise such relationships. This ends up hurting all club members not just the people involved in the issue.

Think twice before posting things which could bring the club into disrepute as you'll just be hurting yourself in the process (...and every other member too). Instead, try to think of a more appropriate way to handle the situation.

[MADFTO]

*smiles* must realised that the hierarchy wasn't even apparent until this thread. After all, the shop isn't really run by the club =)

Regardless of what people say, as soon as money starts changing hands, it becomes a business transacation and therefore should be treated as such.

Anyways, mods should of locked this thread if they wanted this discussion to end, so I suggest you do so.

[FTO338]

Regardless of what people say, as soon as money starts changing hands, it becomes a business transacation and therefore should be treated as such.

I have to agree to this, & also now the club is a legal body, we should take money matter with a more serious approach, as this can be a criminal & civil offence for both buyer & seller. Perhaps someone in the committee should be nominated as the treasury. So someone will always be responsible for any club money or financial issue.

It’s not the first time someone had bought up the issue of the "importance of keeping members updated" & is this "not been updated" that stir up the whole things at the start.

As a business owner & a consumer/customer of this club, I understand both side point of view, & there is a fine line between it. Guni_Gugu should of use a softer approach instead of blasting out with that type of "title". & only one committee member should respond, cause is like going to a retail shop to find out what’s happen to your order, but instead you get 5-6 guys hammer you at the same time. Is not a good feeling, & it will only add fuel to the fire.

[Teania]

Freedom of Speech

As mods, we try to avoid either locking or deleting threads..... this sort of action needs approval from more than 1 committee member - otherwise we would, in effect, become dictators - and that is not what this club is about. However, threads that contain such things as pornography, abusive/threatening language etc.... will pretty much be locked or deleted immediately.

Guni_GuGu wanted some answers, and did not feel he was getting them. It is perhaps unfortunate that this had to become a public thread - but - that's life. And we don't/can't delete stuff just because one person does/doesnt like it. Steve had not even seen this thread as he has been incredibly busy.... I actually bought it to his attention.

As per MADFTO comment - "we have a hierachy" this is something we are trying to better address - to have a section at the front detailing who all the committee members are and how to get hold of us....

The FTO shop is owned/run by smorison and is not something that can be delegated to someone else

As committee members - all our positions will be up for nomination and election at the AGM which will fall next year (advised closer to the date)

Steve literally receive's 100s of PM's every week, along with 100s of emails, hours on the phone with Dept of Fair Trading & our legal adviser(for our club incorporation) Tax Dept for non profit status, sponsors, advertisers, committee meetings, website maintenance & hosting, blocking hackers and repairing damage PLUS a full-time normal job.... so it can mean lots of PM's build up without being read....which is why we are trying to get people to contact their state coords first, then me as secretary, next Kaveman as VP..... .... ....

Regards
Tanya
Club Secretary
FTO Club of Australia
ftoaustralia@iprimus.com.au

[Teania]

ps.... Just read FTO338

As to a treasurer - it looks like Kaveman will start taking on some of this stuff. For events like multi-state cruises etc.

The FTO shop is separate to the club.

[ruchi]

now the club is a legal body, we should take money matter with a more serious approach

As stated in my earlier message the FTO Shop is not part of the club, it is a service Steve offers to help people out. Just think of it as a "group buy" that's ongoing.

In terms of the club, nothing financial is happening yet, but when it does it will all be done properly and legally.

[MADFTO]

*nods* you do have the freedom of speech arguement, but clearly this was a post that only concerned two parties.

And since this thread has gotten way off topic, I believe it should be locked. A new thread should be started if this discussion keeps going as some people will overlook this thread when their input into this situation might be wanted.

I'm all for freedom of speech and all those ideals (even if we don't have that written into out consitution) however, forums must be guided, otherwise it quickly degenerates into an unorganised mess.

[GPXXX]

I didn't want to say anything before the committee has a word on this matter because I wanted to know more about the issue at hand from both sides of the fence. Now I am not taking any sides here but at the risk of being flamed, i believe that to a degree, both parties have their fair share of blame...

as Eric mentioned, this has become a business transaction due to monies being exchanged.

However, Steve's incapacity to follow through or respond to the escalation being brought upon him (in reference to the business dealing which appear to have failed) in a timely and appropriate manner may need to be addressed.

My impression of this saga tells me that Steve has overcommitted himself (in the nicest posible way) and perhaps he should really think about how he can better utilise his time & resources (state delegates) to ease the burden on him as far as the club is concerned...

by the same token, the method of escalation used by guni could have been handled better without jeopardising the club's reputation. I could smell trouble from a mile away when this subject initially showed up due to its accusive and provocative title... I will not pretend to know or understand how frustrating it would have been for Guni, but surely there are better alternatives to pursue appropriately when there are urgent issues that need to be escalated... Posting a thread with such titles is not going to help make things easier either...

don't get me wrong, i love this club and the committee has my full support, but as a member i also believe that this club has an obligation to serve its people in a reasonably responsive manner. As a member I also encourage others to think of the bigger picture, and especially think about the possible consequences of your own actions.



Now.... has anybody seen my Vortex?

(yes, this is my cheap attempt at getting this thread off-topic so that it has another good reason to be locked)

[FTO338]

now the club is a legal body, we should take money matter with a more serious approach

As stated in my earlier message the FTO Shop is not part of the club, it is a service Steve offers to help people out. Just think of it as a "group buy" that's ongoing.

Don't want to start another useless argument, but in short is a simple matter of "breach of contract" under the civil act. Since we know the club position of the person & the "group buy" was posted in the club forum by that person, u do the maths....... remember in law, as long as you can relate two matters, then you can have a case.....& that’s THE END.

Don't get me wrong I’m just stating the fact, & I’ve got nothing against FTO Club Australia, or those who involved, I just want the club to be aware what can happen if a smartass decided to pursue.

[smorison]

couple of things


1. The FTO Shop and FTO Club are completely seperate... they're run on the same website as i donate this website to you all!

2. Don't get too serious on contractual issues, this will be resolved... if you want to get really nasty on it perhaps i'll send a dept collector around to all those people who have placed orders in the past and never paid!

3. This is a matter between guni and myself and will be resolved this week...

4. I make literally nothing out of the shop and absolutely nothing from the Unique products as they are all onsold at cost... this service was setup to make life easier for those people who wanted to buy stuff but not from the UK... if this is going to turn into a sh*t fight i'll just switch it off and you can all pay more for your products.

i'm done, and back to work...

[MADFTO]

Alright, it's been stated as a private matter.

Please lock this thread.

[Guni_GuGu]

I understand what I did, was not the best thing for the club, which I do appreciate, believe me... I'm sorry.

But I did want some sort of responce/action, and well I got it...

I'm also glad that some people, were able to see it from my perspectve, and those that did not, I can also understand your point.. I'm sorry, but again, I was in quite a situation with money.

Now, back to topic.

Steve: Did you get my pm's I sent yesterday? Because, they still appear in my outbox, and not in my sent box..

[Teania]

OK..... am locking this thread now

Guni_GuGu can you please contact me if needed.

Cheers
Tanya

ftoaustralia@iprimus.com.au

[FTOluv]

Im serious this topic was deleted from the start. If i had posted it , not one trace of it would have shown on this site