Fuel/Spark Car won't start

demonjay · Post by **demonjay** » Mon Feb 07, 2011 11:37 pm

Okay, I know this is a fairly obtuse question but any help would be appreciated,

Car died after 5 mins driving, wouldn't start again..... plenty of crank, battery/alternator newish. Doesn't fire at all.

RACQ came and checked the fuses and relays, sprayed some aerostart? in the intake and it fired and spluttered, so he speculated a fuel issue.

I've pulled off the fuel line and cranked the engine, it pumped out fuel.

Error codes pulled were-(before clearing codes)....... No errors are showing since clearing codes!
22 Crank angle sensor
23 Camshaft position sensor
24 Vehicle speed sensor
31 Detonation sensor

I've checked he alt belts etc they appear in good nick (no damage to C.A.S wires i think)

I also noticed some engine oil in the air intake pipe, is this normal?

Storm · Post by **Storm** » Tue Feb 08, 2011 2:54 am

Have you got the car running again?

If you have and there are no codes showing it could just be that the ECU was a bit fed up with you ignoring the codes it had stored and decided to stop. My old Citroen did that.

If you've cleared the codes it will possibly run until they get logged a certain number of times before once again thinking, Feck this!

Oil get pulled into the air intake through the breather hose on the camshaft covers so thats normal.

The only other thing that springs to mind is fuel pressure. If the pump is pumping but there is insufficient pressure there wont be enough getting to the cylinders to fire it up.

Post by **Bennoz** » Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:24 am

Storm wrote:The only other thing that springs to mind is fuel pressure. If the pump is pumping but there is insufficient pressure there wont be enough getting to the cylinders to fire it up.

Which in turn, could be a blocked fuel filter. Quite often a neglected item on FTOs due to its pain in the ass location.

Gholdwayne · Post by **Gholdwayne** » Tue Feb 08, 2011 9:24 am

Bennoz wrote: due to its pain in the ass location.

But at times you easily agree on takin on the job, contradicting that statement

Take a look at this:

Ben, would you do my fuel filter for me ?

pretty please ?

Post by **Bennoz** » Tue Feb 08, 2011 10:04 am

Gholdwayne wrote:
Bennoz wrote: due to its pain in the ass location.
But at times you easily agree on takin on the job, contradicting that statement

Yeah, well when you do dozens & dozens of them for people, you kinda develop a technique to doing it easily.

Gholdwayne wrote:Take a look at this:

Ben, would you do my fuel filter for me ? pretty please ?

Take a look at this:

Gholdwayne · Post by **Gholdwayne** » Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:28 pm

Bennoz wrote: Take a look at this:

I laughed out silently at my workstation

But I would gladly buy you that in exchange for your service! Are you actually willing?

demonjay · Post by **demonjay** » Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:13 pm

Storm wrote:Have you got the car running again?

Oil get pulled into the air intake through the breather hose on the camshaft covers so thats normal.

The only other thing that springs to mind is fuel pressure. If the pump is pumping but there is insufficient pressure there wont be enough getting to the cylinders to fire it up.

Cheers Storm,

Car hasn't sparked since, good to know about the oil though.

Fuel filter replacement is on the cards then, at least to eliminate one possible problem I guess!

You should do a beer run up the coast to Brisvegas Bennos! book in FTO jobs along the way form the forum... should keep you in Boags for a couple of years I bet.

Post by **Bennoz** » Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:53 pm

Gholdwayne wrote:I laughed out silently at my workstation

But I would gladly buy you that in exchange for your service! Are you actually willing?

Of course

Only issue is picking a free weekend! When were you thinking?

demonjay wrote: You should do a beer run up the coast to Brisvegas Bennos! book in FTO jobs along the way form the forum... should keep you in Boags for a couple of years I bet.

Tell me about it!

demonjay · Post by **demonjay** » Tue Feb 08, 2011 10:13 pm

One thing i forgot to mention was after clearing the error codes the TCL light flashed out --11 APS Circuit system.

Not having TCL I assumed it was irrelevant but further reading it can be in regards to the accelerator position sensor... is that the same as the TPS?

If the sensor was dead would it not start?

Gholdwayne · Post by **Gholdwayne** » Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:04 am

Bennoz wrote:
Gholdwayne wrote:I laughed out silently at my workstation

But I would gladly buy you that in exchange for your service! Are you actually willing?
Of course Only issue is picking a free weekend! When were you thinking?

Im free this weekend... i can be at yours around 10~10.30+ or sunday!!

Post by **Bennoz** » Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:27 am

Sunday arvo is best

Gholdwayne · Post by **Gholdwayne** » Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:39 am

Sunday arvo it is.. give me a time please.

Post by **Bennoz** » Wed Feb 09, 2011 11:06 am

Will get back to you on that, dunno what time I'll be getting home from Saturday night yet!

Gholdwayne · Post by **Gholdwayne** » Wed Feb 09, 2011 11:25 am

Lolz.. Ok, well good luck and have fun with that.

Storm · Post by **Storm** » Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:43 pm

demonjay wrote:One thing i forgot to mention was after clearing the error codes the TCL light flashed out --11 APS Circuit system.

Not having TCL I assumed it was irrelevant but further reading it can be in regards to the accelerator position sensor... is that the same as the TPS?

If the sensor was dead would it not start?

Why do you have a Traction Control light if you dont have TC? Are you sure you dont have it?

demonjay · Post by **demonjay** » Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:49 pm

Yeah I don't have the button on the dash for it.... I assumed all the dash pods had the light though?

Storm · Post by **Storm** » Thu Feb 10, 2011 1:07 am

demonjay wrote:Yeah I don't have the button on the dash for it.... I assumed all the dash pods had the light though?

No, I dont have any TC lights under the water temp gauge.

I think I've only got the seat belt light as I dont even have airbags

demonjay · Post by **demonjay** » Thu Feb 10, 2011 2:03 am

ooops ABS light was the flasher... sorry about that mate!

11 Front right wheel speed sensor Open circuit

pearl_blu_fto · Post by **pearl_blu_fto** » Sat Feb 12, 2011 4:48 am

demonjay wrote:One thing i forgot to mention was after clearing the error codes the TCL light flashed out --11 APS Circuit system.

Not having TCL I assumed it was irrelevant but further reading it can be in regards to the accelerator position sensor... is that the same as the TPS?

If the sensor was dead would it not start?

Yes it is the same as the TPS. How you have described the problems you are having sounds to be more like a possible "igniter" (http://www.camskill.co.uk/products.php?plid=m3b0s9p5834)

Otherwise the good old blocked fuel filter, can cause all sorts or running, idling starting problems

Storm · Post by **Storm** » Sat Feb 12, 2011 9:30 pm

demonjay wrote: ooops ABS light was the flasher... sorry about that mate!

11 Front right wheel speed sensor Open circuit

That shouldn't stop the car from running Jay I dont think.

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