Ciggy prices

[evoman]

Is this next?

[koolio1234]

no ones making you use Medicare, get your own private health insurance. Medicare was purposed for those on low incomes such as new families, the elderly, students, etc which could not afford to pay for treatment otherwise...it what separates us from the third world variety

I agree that this labour government is fucked and that Mr Rudd holds a startling resemblance to Mr Sheen but it just seems that you just have to accept that if they don't tax ciggies, they'll just find something else to tax to f**k us over. They exhibit the same desperation as many other labour governments before them trying to pull themselves out of an inevitable national deficit.

[brad_gpx]

ahhh yes, see but the government has played smoking around in circles since day one.

everyone says its a drug, it preety much is, but the reason the government hasnt banned it is because they get so much money from it. they put out endless campaigns, high taxes and these newer anti-smoking schemes... yet if its so bad why is it still legal?

theyve tried to cover up this easy money-grab for far too long.

no smoking = government loss in money, bet you free to air tv wont be free anymore or some other bullshit
smoking = government $$$ win

yeh i totally agree with you

it was bs when they took the smoking areas out of hospitals

[vipfto]

no ones making you use Medicare, get your own private health insurance. Medicare was purposed for those on low incomes such as new families, the elderly, students, etc which could not afford to pay for treatment otherwise...it what separates us from the third world variety

I agree that this labour government is fucked and that Mr Rudd holds a startling resemblance to Mr Sheen but it just seems that you just have to accept that if they don't tax ciggies, they'll just find something else to tax to f**k us over. They exhibit the same desperation as many other labour governments before them trying to pull themselves out of an inevitable national deficit.

I agree but why should they tax a minority so highly? Yes cigs should be taxed like everything else but only to the extent of what costs they may incur on the system and I8A4RE wast spot on by saying that they will be less of a burden than someone who manages to hang around for 100yrs. So to make up the extra $$$ they need why just tax a minority where they should tax everyone be it via raising GST or some other means?

[I8A4RE]

Ok and just to throw another a piece of wood on to the fire, so to speak.

Qld is earning $318,xxx PER DAY , in speeding fines.

116 Million per year and thats just qld

When speed cameras were introduced in 1997, there were 428 deaths on our roads. In 1999 there were 314. How many are there now?

1999 - 314
2004 - 311
2005 - 328
2009 - 331

We were promised that the introduction of speed camera's was to reduce fatalities and THE GOVERNMENT LIED. Yes I know you could bring up the arguement that there are a lot more cars on the road and that is true but there have also been a lot more other inititives beed introduced to reduce the road toll. Cars are much more safer now, speeds have been reduced to 50 in residential areas, cyclist's were made to wear helmets, Ad campaigns were introduced to create awareness, random breathe testing, reduction in blood alcohol limit, complusory seat belt wearing and thats just the ones I can think of off the top of my head.


What would happen if we all stopped speeding? How would the government re-coupe the loss in income? Because they would have to.

Whenever a "HOT TOPIC" arises in the public forum, the governments only answer to solve the problem is "TAX IT" or "FINE IT" or "RAISE INTEREST RATES". They dont want to look at different initives to solve the problem becuase that will cost them money. Howard should never had a $20 billion surplus, that is OVER TAXING to the extreme.

But all of this is because we let them, we dont stand up for ourselves, we would rather just bitch about it and sit on couch watching the news on our plasma TV's and thinking that this is bullshit and just grab another beer.

The government should have LESS control not more. We put them there, we pay their wages. I laugh everytime I hear the phrase "Public Servants" and bet they do too.

Oh and one final note....

The main street leading to our house has always been a 70km area and it's reasonable rural. In the 1.5 I have lived there, I have never seen a speed camera, I mean NEVER. 2 months ago they reduce the speed to 60km but only in a small section in the middle of the 70 area, without any notice to the residents whatsoever and begun positioning police officers with laser's there at least one a week if not twice. Now it looks as they have made their budget and last week the sign was put back to 70km. IS THAT NOT f**ken REVENUE RAISING OR WHAT???

[Kustom]

The main street leading to our house has always been a 70km area and it's reasonable rural. In the 1.5 I have lived there, I have never seen a speed camera, I mean NEVER. 2 months ago they reduce the speed to 60km but only in a small section in the middle of the 70 area, without any notice to the residents whatsoever and begun positioning police officers with laser's there at least one a week if not twice. Now it looks as they have made their budget and last week the sign was put back to 70km. IS THAT NOT f**ken REVENUE RAISING OR WHAT???

That my friend is a huge load of bullshit. (as in it sucks).. lol.. Not disagree'ing with you.

[I8A4RE]

That my friend is a huge load of bullshit.

You disagree

[Kustom]

That my friend is a huge load of bullshit.

You disagree

Nonono, I agree with you... i was saying that

Oh and one final note....

The main street leading to our house has always been a 70km area and it's reasonable rural. In the 1.5 I have lived there, I have never seen a speed camera, I mean NEVER. 2 months ago they reduce the speed to 60km but only in a small section in the middle of the 70 area, without any notice to the residents whatsoever and begun positioning police officers with laser's there at least one a week if not twice. Now it looks as they have made their budget and last week the sign was put back to 70km. IS THAT NOT f**ken REVENUE RAISING OR WHAT???

This is f**king sh*t. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I just posted that last one on my iphone so I couldn't post what I wanted

[rock_it]

Government has been talking about RBT's for pedestrians in NSW ...

[koolio1234]

Government has been talking about RBT's for pedestrians in NSW ...

oooh...they'd make a fortune down at the cross from fines

[J]

ahhh yes, see but the government has played smoking around in circles since day one.

everyone says its a drug, it preety much is, but the reason the government hasnt banned it is because they get so much money from it. they put out endless campaigns, high taxes and these newer anti-smoking schemes... yet if its so bad why is it still legal?

theyve tried to cover up this easy money-grab for far too long.

no smoking = government loss in money, bet you free to air tv wont be free anymore or some other bullshit
smoking = government $$$ win

yeh i totally agree with you

it was bs when they took the smoking areas out of hospitals

How does smoking areas in hospitals relate to my post?

Its not bulllshit, I support that rule, same way as I support no smoking close to schools or in shopping malls... Heavily populated area's need a place for smokers but at hospitals its a different story because recovering patients are out and about... That rule makes allot of sense, and I'm happy to walk across the road if I feel the urge to smoke

[Kustom]

/agree with rockit on everything

[brad_gpx]

ahhh yes, see but the government has played smoking around in circles since day one.

everyone says its a drug, it preety much is, but the reason the government hasnt banned it is because they get so much money from it. they put out endless campaigns, high taxes and these newer anti-smoking schemes... yet if its so bad why is it still legal?

theyve tried to cover up this easy money-grab for far too long.

no smoking = government loss in money, bet you free to air tv wont be free anymore or some other bullshit
smoking = government $$$ win

yeh i totally agree with you

it was bs when they took the smoking areas out of hospitals

How does smoking areas in hospitals relate to my post?

Its not bulllshit, I support that rule, same way as I support no smoking close to schools or in shopping malls... Heavily populated area's need a place for smokers but at hospitals its a different story because recovering patients are out and about... That rule makes allot of sense, and I'm happy to walk across the road if I feel the urge to smoke

it was seperate to you post it was just another thing that is bs

in hospitals people are forced to smoke less because they cant be constantly outside
a pack a day smoker may only be able to smoke 3-4 a day because of this
if the patient suffers from anxiety as well the affects can be devastating
i used to be against it until everyone of my psych lectures have disagreed with it and explained it to me that it is a horrible thing

i dont smoke yet i want the smoking areas back there
i do however suffer from a extremely minor anxiety
and i know that if i took away any stress relief i have id have trouble handling it
so imagine a person who suffers from major anxiety and having their smokes taken away and being confined to a small space in hospital?

no ones making you use Medicare, get your own private health insurance. Medicare was purposed for those on low incomes such as new families, the elderly, students, etc which could not afford to pay for treatment otherwise...it what separates us from the third world variety

i had insurance
my insurance covered whatever medicare didnt
my medicare covered like 20% of everything, but because my medicare might cover $100 out of a $400 scan it meant that my insurance wouldnt cover it because medicare was already covering, even though they werent covering the whole thing
to me that is absolute bs
if medicare didnt exist, my insurance would have covered it

so i suppose a better pov would be to say
medicare should either cover stuff 100% or 0%
it should not cover stuff slightly

Government has been talking about RBT's for pedestrians in NSW ...

not to long ago i heard a rumour that they were thinking of making it illegal for red p platers to drive after 11 with an intoxicated passenger?
is there any truth to this rumour?

if they bring this in its breaking point for me and it will force me to drink drive and needlessly endanger lives. im not joking either, im sick of these laws




also RBTing people is a violation of human rights
isnt it meant innocent until proven guilty?

police dont come and knock on a door and tell someone they have warrent to search for drugs when they have no good evidence of drugs being on the premises?
so why am i stopped and RBT when they have no evidence of me being drunk?
they suspect i am guilty thats why they check
so i have to prove my innocence? instead of them having to prove me being guilty?


also why am i always RBT'ed while driving my fto?
but i have never seen my mum get RBT'ed while ive been with her and shes driving?

its because i am male red p plater driving a sportscar

because of this they assume that i am more likely to break road rules
because of a stereotype that the media helps create
so the media can say i disobey road rules and thus breaking the law
thus discriminating me based on a stereotype
and the the police, the enforcers of the law, instead of preventing this major case of discrimination like they should, instead the encourage
so they can do this but i cant say "black people are all theifs" or "muslims are all terroist"
both these statements have about as much truth to them as the stereotype made by the media about me(which is almost none)

its for these reasons
that everytime i am pulled over i give the cop who pulled me over sh*t
in a completely objective way i try to portray that he is a pathetic piece of sh*t and is the bottom rung of society
what i am doing is not stereotyping cops however
as i only expressing myself to the ones that pull me over (also if they are nice and polite i dont do this either, i am nice and polite back and co-operative, its generally only the dickheads, so about 90% of the cops that pull me over)


anyway thats my massive rant


edit: also feel free to criticize and argue with me where you dont agree

[J]

That one pack a day smoker is probably in the hospital for that reason. Smoking a pack a day..
But that might now always be the case


So your saying 1 patient with a smoking addiction should be aloud to walk around the LVL1 visitors yard whilst the recovering 10 patients put up with the smoke blowing in their faces by the wind? I think that's rediculous. Elaborate on what your pshyc class says and I might change my mind. That 1 person is nothing to the pregnant mothers, newly born babies, ill men and women and the eldery who use the hospital to get better

I smoke preety much a pack a day when I'm working or out on the town, but im aware of other people who don't smoke. I'll hold the puff in or put the cigarette around my back if a person walks by.

------ (car hoons)
Sadly thats what the population has been forced to think, by the media. The countless times I've seen a report on ACA about young car hoons is rediculous whilst I see the same amount of reports with how good the police are, rbt's working, the amount of deaths reduced by high penalties-double demerits and speed cameras (like simon said).

But in saying that, they "young" driver has always been targeted. And I doubt this will change... Ever, not only because of hooning but just look at the statistics for p plater deaths and its preety high for the amount of people on the road.

It does sh*t me, now all real car-enthusiast are stereotyped with the "hoon" name though, because I'm not going to stop modifying my automobiles untill I'm too old to drive. Hopefully we get less dickheads on the street and the modifying community can actually be a pleasurable community to be in.

... Your asking for trouble by sh*t-talking to cops. You know and I'm sure they won't tolerate disrespect coming from a youth with a modded car. Same goes for anyone off any age. I used to get pulled over twice a week in my fto, I always said "yes officer" and did what they told me to and in the two years and countless pull-overs, I've only been defected twice. 1 for a bald tyre and another for a low exhaust

[brad_gpx]

thats why they had designated smoking areas
most of the hospital was non-smoking
but they had designated smoking areas that were slightly cut off from other areas that only smoking patients went into
imo they werent removed because of the health risks they imposed as there were not many (the placing of the smoking areas was quite well done), they were removed because of the appearance that they were encouraging smoking
but thats just my opinon on that

i stay on a completely factual based when being a smart ass with cop
i will state how i believe they are discriminating against me
and then i will inform them how the world views most people who discriminate
at no point will i involve him in my statements
99% the cop will ask me if im judging him or trying to be a dick etc and i will say im just informing him of interesting facts
other times cops have verbally abused me (nothing huge stuff just like "your a little smartass" etc, after this i have given formal complaints at the police station explaining the distress the abuse has called me

i do this because i enjoy wasting there time
as they have wasted mine

the whole "yes officer" or "yes sir" thing is bs to me

why should i respect the policeman?
what has he done to earn my respect?
is he purely doing his job because he wants to clean up society? or is he just doing it for a living?
is his job just a job to him or is it a lifestyle?
if he came to me and said "i took a bullet when i was in a shootout with a rapist" i would respect him
but when he's RBTing on the side of the road i think i have more respect for the 15 yr old kid who served me at maccas


even though more p platers die on the road that doesnt change anything
the percentage of aboriginals in jail is much higher than the percentage of caucasians. so when there is a murder should we instantly assume its an aboriginal? no. because the majority of them are hard working and no different to a caucasian of there age

[bduffman]

trick is dont smoke more money for mods the end

[bduffman]

my input short and sweet is
1 the extra money is ment to go to stoping future smokers and help people quit
2 think of all the surjurys that are done on smokers cause they smoke
3 they may need a transplat and get it over some one else who dosent smoke when its wrong as they cause it to happen in the first place
4 every time u light up 1 its hurts the people around you and im sure its f**king the world up to
depending on the person they wil either cut back give up or starve to death cause they bought ciggys insted

[J]

my input short and sweet is
1 the extra money is ment to go to stoping future smokers and help people quit have you read anything in this thread?
2 think of all the surjurys that are done on smokers cause they smoke what about surGery for people overwieght, drug addicts, rehabilitation for anorexia etc.
3 they may need a transplat and get it over some one else who dosent smoke when its wrong as they cause it to happen in the first place no they dont it was on 60MINUTES ages ago that these people do not get priority and go on the waiting list just like everyone else... but i do agree with you
4 every time u light up 1 its hurts the people around you and im sure its f**king the world up to all the exhaust fumes you smell in the city is just as bad. what about polution? should trucks now get taxed for being on the road?
its f**king the world up? wtf how? because war, poverty and terrorism are such minor issues compared to cigarettes
depending on the person they wil either cut back give up or starve to death cause they bought ciggys insted
.................starve to death, are you a baboon or something?

i say all this light-hearted mate

[bduffman]

well they were going to inforce the polution tax ( say a v8 would cost more to rego then a v6 )
the biggest issue with poverty in aus is that we send millions over seas to help them out insted of helping out aus
when i said depending on the person they wil either cut back give up or starve to death cause they bought ciggys insted
was meaning they would go with out things in oder to buy there smokes
think bout it for every pack they smoke thats money they could spend on loans cars food children

[Supplanter]

Dang Gubment taking all my monies.