probably the most newbie question posted...

KJ_bob · Post by **KJ_bob** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 12:07 am

to be more back on topic... if you where going to do an rx7 conversion, do you think u could buy a cheap and nasty old rx7 for an engine and rwd conversion??? Would there be anyway of converting an fto to rwd using an rx7?

Although this would leave you with the 13a engine and not the 13b that is in the later rx7's, would it not? or have i just fallen off the end of my knowledge cliff

J · Post by J » Tue Mar 03, 2009 2:24 am

oh man dont get me started on RWD conversions!

And fto in RWD and an rb engine would be a dream!!!

Post by **I8A4RE** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:35 am

As said before you got the money anything can be done.

As for old school rx7 even with the over sized seals you can get for them, they are prone to doing the seals (full engine rebuild). I wouldnt even bother with a 12a or 13b. If you were to do it, you would want the newest rotary you could get your hands on. But thats just my 2 cents

xSlurpee · Post by **xSlurpee** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 12:36 pm

jay6 wrote:oh man dont get me started on RWD conversions!

And fto in RWD and an rb engine would be a dream!!!

AWD fto with VTEC YO!!!!! turbo YO!!!!

id kill for the scream of VTEC YO!!!!! followed by a vrshhhh suutututu pop

uberbass242 · Post by **uberbass242** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 5:55 pm

I8A4RE wrote:As said before you got the money anything can be done.

As for old school rx7 even with the over sized seals you can get for them, they are prone to doing the seals (full engine rebuild). I wouldnt even bother with a 12a or 13b. If you were to do it, you would want the newest rotary you could get your hands on. But thats just my 2 cents

these are the 2 cents i was looking for..

i really didnt mean specifically an rx7 engine, i was just under the impression that an rx7 would put out well..

would it be better (overall) to convert to AWD or RWD?

and how many limbs would i have to sell to do such a thing?

cause atm i'm rather turned on by the idea of a '65 GTO with a modern muscle engine and some form of supercharger..

KJ_bob · Post by **KJ_bob** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:02 pm

f**king do it! ... btw how down the track are u talking

mr-charisma · Post by **mr-charisma** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:49 pm

Devilzdealer wrote:hey im mia's boyfrined the one with the cyborg sedan lol.
Its a cb lancer shape except its AWD totally sleeper spec, its very quick, beats a lot of high powered cars such as skylines and supras and all your regular tough man cars... also puts up a huge battle with the more "well known" cars aswell... not so much in a real drag race but on the street it holds its own.
With the work ive had done to the engine now it should be pretty close to 400 - 450hp atw... forged internals 272 cams haltech 20 psi bigger front mount injectors elec. boost controller, only thing stopping me from getting to the 400 - 450 mark is my turbo its only a high flowed evo 3 item good for about 380 at the fly...

also sorry about the thread hijack back on topic, an fto with a eclipse 63t like i told mia to write up there would be amazingly quick... it would probably keep up if not beat almost anything in the same weight class... it would be a weapon.

nice work on the conversion mate .. any details on how much it cost to do?

If I'm not mistaken, the gear from the Eclipse GSX is the same as from Evo's ..
Do you know if there are any differences in the drivetrain /floorpan etc that would make it more suitable for use in an FTO

mr-charisma · Post by **mr-charisma** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 12:53 am

I8A4RE wrote:As said before you got the money anything can be done.

As for old school rx7 even with the over sized seals you can get for them, they are prone to doing the seals (full engine rebuild). I wouldnt even bother with a 12a or 13b... But thats just my 2 cents

a full engine rebuild on a rotary shouldn't be that much of a big deal .. unless you're worried about the $$$ that is

I disagree that there is no point going with a 13B .. IMO there would be nothing tougher than a 13B in an FTO .. Bridgeported & with a decent turbo I'd say you'd be looking at over 400hp for sure
Even a hardened 12A turbo would be awesome.. probably worth about 200-300-ish HP before you start blowing things up.. you would need to bolt on a few bits (i won't go into it) from a 13B engine to make it a bit stronger though - so .. better off with just the 13b

If you were to do it, you would want the newest rotary you could get your hands on.

Assuming that you mean the RENESIS out of an RX-8, IMO it's not feasible .. not for the price that you can get a 13B or even the "REW" for that matter vs the new RX-8 rota and the power output you'd get it's just not worth it..

Not that I've been thinking about doing it to the FTO .. I don't know if I could blow that much money on a car project .. but I was looking into getting a Series 1 & chucking a 13B into it a while ago ..

I could very easily swap my FTO for a Series 7 .. they're damn sexy when done up right.. can't decide whether I like the FTO better or not..

J · Post by J » Wed Mar 04, 2009 1:43 am

^^^^ whaaaaa?! The rx7 is in a totally different league (IMO)

It ranks among the top japanese 90's era supercars... Supras, gtr's ,nsx's. The longated body shape is what makes the rx7 sexier than an fto....

My 90's jap car hierachy is like this (top of the line models of course)

Ace - supra, rx7, nsx, gtr
Kings - evo, silvia, wrx, 180
Queens - fto, preludes, integras, celica
Jacks - civic, crx

......

xSlurpee · Post by **xSlurpee** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 2:44 am

My 90's jap car hierachy is like this (top of the line models of course)

Ace - nsw, gtr, evo, 350z, rx7
Kings - integra, silvia, s2k, wrx
Queens - fto, celica, civic, crx ... more hondas
Jacks - daihatsu, suzuki, kia, hyundai etc

FIXED!

uberbass242 · Post by **uberbass242** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 3:58 am

mr-charisma wrote:IMO there would be nothing tougher than a 13B in an FTO .. Bridgeported & with a decent turbo I'd say you'd be looking at over 400hp for sure

i'm sorry, i may have misread something..

an FTO with 400+ hp?

DOES!
F__KING!
WANT!

anyone want to hazard a guess at the cost for this? (to the nearest 1000 or so would be good.. or y'know.. whatever

)

Post by **I8A4RE** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:48 am

mr-charisma wrote:a full engine rebuild on a rotary shouldn't be that much of a big deal .. unless you're worried about the $$$ that is

Well yeah it is when you have to do it every 60,000km (if you drive like me)

Not that I've been thinking about doing it to the FTO .. I don't know if I could blow that much money on a car project .. but I was looking into getting a Series 1 & chucking a 13B into it a while ago ..

IMO there's no point spending all that money on a conversion just to end up putting a inferior motor into it, that you will just end up having lots of problems with ie seris 1 12a or 13b.

I could very easily swap my FTO for a Series 7 .. they're damn sexy when done up right.. can't decide whether I like the FTO better or not..

Agree....they are damm fine

Assuming that you mean the RENESIS out of an RX-8, IMO it's not feasible .. not for the price that you can get a 13B or even the "REW" for that matter vs the new RX-8 rota and the power output you'd get it's just not worth it..

Sorry i meant the engine from the batmobile rx7 (for some reason i was led to believe the had changed the name of it due large improvements over the previous models....However it looks like I was wrong) So yes a 13rew would be the way to go

Devilzdealer · Post by **Devilzdealer** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:37 pm

mr-charisma wrote:
Devilzdealer wrote:hey im mia's boyfrined the one with the cyborg sedan lol.
Its a cb lancer shape except its AWD totally sleeper spec, its very quick, beats a lot of high powered cars such as skylines and supras and all your regular tough man cars... also puts up a huge battle with the more "well known" cars aswell... not so much in a real drag race but on the street it holds its own.
With the work ive had done to the engine now it should be pretty close to 400 - 450hp atw... forged internals 272 cams haltech 20 psi bigger front mount injectors elec. boost controller, only thing stopping me from getting to the 400 - 450 mark is my turbo its only a high flowed evo 3 item good for about 380 at the fly...

also sorry about the thread hijack back on topic, an fto with a eclipse 63t like i told mia to write up there would be amazingly quick... it would probably keep up if not beat almost anything in the same weight class... it would be a weapon.
nice work on the conversion mate .. any details on how much it cost to do?

If I'm not mistaken, the gear from the Eclipse GSX is the same as from Evo's ..
Do you know if there are any differences in the drivetrain /floorpan etc that would make it more suitable for use in an FTO

i bought the car with the engine already in but to my knowledge it would be about $6000 including the half cut.

on the fto with a 4g63t i assume that the eclipse fwd would be an easier conversion seeing as it is fwd so you have a fwd box ect, but i know that the vr4/evo 123 engines are the same and you can lock the g/b into front wheel drive, or mod the bell housing so you can match a fto mivec manual box up and then all you looking at it wiring and engine mounts ... computer and all that aswell, but you get the general idea.

Post by **I8A4RE** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:45 pm

Devilzdealer wrote: but i know that the vr4/evo 123 engines are the same and you can lock the g/b into front wheel drive, or mod the bell housing so you can match a fto mivec manual box up and then all you looking at it wiring and engine mounts ... computer and all that aswell, but you get the general idea.

arent the evo 123 engines on the wrong side

Devilzdealer · Post by **Devilzdealer** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:53 pm

nope the early vr4 engine is actually an evo 2 engine the evo 1 engine has less aggressive cams and the 3 is pretty much the same except it has a bigger turbo and better manifolds, they are all the same way. The evo 4 5 6 7 8 engines are all the other way and the 9 is a mivec but i dont think its true mivec, and finally the evo 10 isnt even a 4g63.

You can even get 4g63s out of hyundai's and also get 4g61's and 4g93's out of hyundais and the 61 and 63 gearboxes are interchangeable and if your lucky you can get some gearboxes in hyundais that actually mate to a 4g63/61... oh and protons also have 4g93s, i think its called the satria gti ?

Post by **vipfto** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:11 pm

Devilzdealer wrote:nope the early vr4 engine is actually an evo 2 engine the evo 1 engine has less aggressive cams and the 3 is pretty much the same except it has a bigger turbo and better manifolds, they are all the same way. The evo 4 5 6 7 8 engines are all the other way and the 9 is a mivec but i dont think its true mivec, and finally the evo 10 isnt even a 4g63.

You can even get 4g63s out of hyundai's and also get 4g61's and 4g93's out of hyundais and the 61 and 63 gearboxes are interchangeable and if your lucky you can get some gearboxes in hyundais that actually mate to a 4g63/61... oh and protons also have 4g93s, i think its called the satria gti ?

what simon means are the mounts are wrong side (gearbox is on driver side) in which he is correct the evo 4< are the correct mounts for FTO

rock_it · Post by **rock_it** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:11 pm

champ ... From experience... VR4 and Evo engine is not the same ... Different crank ... And small things here and there... When VR4 stopped Evo Started...

G4CP is the hyundai engine based on the 4G63, and yes the gearbox from the G4CP will match up, but there is about 1-2mm in the length of it compared to the 4G63.. So you have to custom make it all to make it fit.. You can use some Magna V6 parts to do this... But if you hook it all up with a mix-match, you will be without a drive shaft after a little while...

G4CP is found in the Sonata btw ...

Devilzdealer · Post by **Devilzdealer** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:22 pm

well yeah i was stating the basic things, evo cranks are 7 bolt and are lighter which is why they suffer from crank walk, vr4 are a 6 bolt and a lot stronger.
I didnt think about the ftos fitting a later model evo egine, so used to working with pre evo 4 motors i didnt think about it, sorry about that.

Post by **I8A4RE** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:51 am

Devilzdealer wrote:well yeah i was stating the basic things, evo cranks are 7 bolt and are lighter which is why they suffer from crank walk, vr4 are a 6 bolt and a lot stronger.
I didnt think about the ftos fitting a later model evo egine, so used to working with pre evo 4 motors i didnt think about it, sorry about that.

thats alright we will forgive you.....this time

FTEvolution · Post by **FTEvolution** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:53 am

Devilzdealer wrote:hey im mia's boyfrined the one with the cyborg sedan lol.
Its a cb lancer shape except its AWD totally sleeper spec, its very quick, beats a lot of high powered cars such as skylines and supras and all your regular tough man cars... also puts up a huge battle with the more "well known" cars aswell... not so much in a real drag race but on the street it holds its own.
With the work ive had done to the engine now it should be pretty close to 400 - 450hp atw... forged internals 272 cams haltech 20 psi bigger front mount injectors elec. boost controller, only thing stopping me from getting to the 400 - 450 mark is my turbo its only a high flowed evo 3 item good for about 380 at the fly...

also sorry about the thread hijack back on topic, an fto with a eclipse 63t like i told mia to write up there would be amazingly quick... it would probably keep up if not beat almost anything in the same weight class... it would be a weapon.

You don't need a 4G for a quick FTO, plenty of us are proving that using the same block (6A) is a damn good swap (specifically the 6A13tt engine). The extra torque over the stock 4G (being 2.5l with small turbos) and minimal parasitic loss being only FWD makes an FTO blindingly quick with these engines.

Seriously, this car is still quick enough for me after 2 years, I have no plans for upgrading turbos or anything like that.

On a dry road, I can take mildly modded Evo 4's (5+ are amazingly quick, but different league). I have taken near stock R32 GTR Skylines (with just filters/exhaust done). WRX's aren't a problem; Ver 4's are tough, though Ver 5+ STI's will eat me for breakfast, but as with the 5+ Evo's, they are in a different league.

DISCLAIMER:

The above is based on the fact that I am using a 4 speed tip box, as we all know, 1st gear is extremely short (or is that tall, I get messed up with that) and gives blindingly quick initial acceleration. The downside of that is that on the drag strip I top out at ~170 kph at limiter at around 3/4 - 4/5 track. Saying that, I have still gotten a a high 12 with a trap speed of 111 mph.

Easily quick enough for a road car, and besides, I don't drive crazily any more, guess age is catching up with me. It's just nice knowing you have a sleeper and what your car can do.