13 second fto?

KJ_bob · Post by **KJ_bob** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 5:57 pm

zuihoujueding wrote:pardon my ignorance...whats azn?

people that live in asia?

Thanx for all the responses...nice descussion, as one sided as it is

sam- heaps good response... what do u mean by postal...turbo?

Post by **I8A4RE** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 6:07 pm

KJ_bob wrote:
zuihoujueding wrote:pardon my ignorance...whats azn?
Thanx for all the responses...nice descussion, as one sided as it is

sam- heaps good response... what do you mean by postal...turbo?

Its one sided for a reason.....everyone is in agreance.

he means go crazy with money, though every thing at it, no expense spared

zuihoujueding · Post by **zuihoujueding** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 6:22 pm

do oz write it differently? lol i have no idea.

By the way, im from singapore. Pleased to meet you all! FTO lovers!

yeah...that CAI setup is really neat. im looking forward to do similar deisgn from Simota parts which i always wanted for a long time.

manofwood · Post by **manofwood** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:11 pm

after seeing joe digiorgio's civic do what it can do, i think anything can be possible, but would also depend on whether you still want it streetable. he's got a fully stripped 1.6 VTEC YO!!!!! with no nitro/ turbo/ s-c/ stroker etc, just heavy headwork, tuning, suspension and tyres etc running high 11's.

koolio1234 · Post by **koolio1234** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:54 pm

i would have to disagree and say YES it would be possible, to run 13s in an fto, but like i said, thats if your prepared to spending ridiculous amounts of money on it, cams, suspension, wider drag tyres, ecu, advanced timings, etc would all run you $10k + to do and it is achieveable but again like i mentioned previously its not a very wise investment as there are other cars better suited for drag racing for the money. Lets just enjoy the fto for what it is.

p.s. i have seen 164 kw atw in a fto from a uk fto owner, he ran high 13s with his setup (stripped out interior, adjustable mivec controller, cams, adv timing, cai, exhaust system, and a few more things)

Therapy02 · Post by **Therapy02** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 8:24 pm

manofwood wrote:after seeing joe digiorgio's civic do what it can do, i think anything can be possible, but would also depend on whether you still want it streetable. he's got a fully stripped 1.6 VTEC YO!!!!! with no nitro/ turbo/ s-c/ stroker etc, just heavy headwork, tuning, suspension and tyres etc running high 11's.

i love the rear wheels on that thing, any smaller and they'd be for a bicycle

Post by **I8A4RE** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:38 pm

manofwood wrote:after seeing joe digiorgio's civic do what it can do, i think anything can be possible, but would also depend on whether you still want it streetable. he's got a fully stripped 1.6 VTEC YO!!!!! with no nitro/ turbo/ s-c/ stroker etc, just heavy headwork, tuning, suspension and tyres etc running high 11's.

Honda's are renowned for their tune-ability, we are talking about a 6a12.

nicholas · Post by **nicholas** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:46 pm

Yes Simon, you're right.

But nathan is also saying that it can be achieved, if you throw enough money at it and make enough sacrifices (driveability-wise).

Its just a question of whether the return is worth the time and money invested, which I personally think it isn't.

Post by **I8A4RE** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:57 pm

nicholas wrote:Yes Simon, you're right.

But nathan is also saying that it can be achieved, if you throw enough money at it and make enough sacrifices (driveability-wise).

Its just a question of whether the return is worth the time and money invested, which I personally think it isn't.

no nathan is saying, its POSSIBLE, and for agruements sake it may be. but there is a limit that an engine can possibly put out. you cant just keep pouring money into an engine and keep getting hp you will eventually find the max the engine can handle without shredding it's self.

Now where is that limit for the 6a12???????

Who cares!!! no one is ever going to bother because as stated previously it would be a waste of money and time and there are far better engines to modify,

nicholas · Post by **nicholas** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 11:14 pm

Oh, so you agree? Glad we all get along for once

koolio1234 · Post by **koolio1234** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:03 am

nicholas wrote:Yes Simon, you're right.

But nathan is also saying that it can be achieved, if you throw enough money at it and make enough sacrifices (driveability-wise).

Its just a question of whether the return is worth the time and money invested, which I personally think it isn't.

Thats the exact point im trying to make...its plausible but may not be worth the economic sacrifice. thanks for backing me up.

Double post fixed -Sam

Delvance · Post by **Delvance** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 1:38 am

Well, a tuned mivec gets into 14's no problems. 13's with a n/a 6a12.. don't think so.

Post by **Bennoz** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:26 am

Here's the stats.

Out of 77 cars, there are only 8 GPX's in the 14 second band that do not have some sort of forced induction... and thats late 14's.

Without speding extortionate amounts of money, its not possible to make a 6A12 get into the 13's. Biggest reason why?
When making a hot naturally aspirated motor, the most important ingredient by far - cams. And guess what doesnt exist for the FTO? Hot cams.

SG · Post by SG » Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:19 pm

I got my 15.2 second quarter down to a 14.7 without doing anything to the engine. The only thing i've got on the engine is an air filter and an exhaust.. If you don't include a lightweight crank pulley... I changed the Suspension, drivetrain, tyres (street tyres)... tiny bit of weight reduction n thats it.... I think after i've done some mods to the engine i could take another couple of points off but thats about it.

RichardB · Post by **RichardB** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:37 pm

we have a few NA FTO's in the uk running 14.5 's and their 60' times are 2.1+sec If we can get the 60' time down to similar to mine (1.

we could see them into the 13's

KJ_bob · Post by **KJ_bob** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 7:17 pm

RichardB wrote:we have a few NA FTO's in the uk running 14.5 's and their 60' times are 2.1+sec If we can get the 60' time down to similar to mine (1. we could see them into the 13's

How would you do that... better tyres?

RichardB · Post by **RichardB** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 7:34 pm

KJ_bob wrote:
RichardB wrote:we have a few NA FTO's in the uk running 14.5 's and their 60' times are 2.1+sec If we can get the 60' time down to similar to mine (1.8 ) we could see them into the 13's
How would you do that... better tyres?

Ive spent a year tuning my suspension setup, trying different tyre selections etc...

Post by **Supplanter** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 8:27 pm

Position 3 on that list is "dannyboyAU"... haven't seen him online for a loooong time

First Aussie to put a 6A13 in his car I think.

xSlurpee · Post by **xSlurpee** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 8:37 pm

wow, 11.2secs ...

but ill steal fastest fto in the world in 5years! ... ill be 22 hmmm

manofwood · Post by **manofwood** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:41 pm

if we are talking strictly 1/4 mile, i think the Adelia gear kit that member 'Atomrally' has would make an FTO quite easily get a 13 on the strip, with the other obvious stuff, but probably run out of range quickly after the finish line. I was going to buy that for mine.
That kit would turn any FTO into a really competitive motorkhana racer