FTO's should be better..

MuMan · Post by **MuMan** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:38 pm

The Eclipse runs a little over 3500 Lbs with the driver, without a full fuel tank.

The trouble with FWD, well the FTO, is there's not a lot of weight in it, but going bigger cubes, turbo or not, is just adding to the engine/drivetrain mass sitting over the front axle. great traction..in a straight line.

manofwood · Post by **manofwood** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:20 pm

MuMan wrote:And supras, 300zx"s, skylines & GT3000's have something FTO's don't have...weight!

how much do you think an FTO is going to weigh with a turbo setup, piping, cooler, transfer case, prop shaft/s and rear diff, plus the other gear not mentioned?

not so unique after that, it would weigh more than an R32.

MuMan · Post by **MuMan** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:23 pm

Well the cars listed are all renowned for having a weight problem, mabe a little less with the Skylines, but they are also considered fast cars..maybe a little less with the 300ZX.
So purely on power/weight ratio, FTO's are way ahead (in weight).
So if your looking for more performance what are you going to do? Fit a bigger heavier engine?

I'm not sure what you mean by your question..you mean if Mitsubshi developed a AWD turbo FTO? or you mean if someone did a conversion?
I personally wouldn't even consider an AWD or RWD conversion..it'd be a nightmare.
I would however look at a 4g63t engine/trans conversion using a Garret Gt28 or Gt30, TD06 or similar, custom DP & 3" exhaust.
The aluminum IC & pipes don't add much & apart from the turbo itself, everything is either there in it's present form, or just needs to be upgraded.
I think weight savings would more than offset anything you bolt back on.

Even 200Kw in a car the size & weight of the FTO would make it come alive, and there's way more potential in a 4g63t than that.

hey, don't be defensive now, we are on the same side..we all love our FTO's

Taeivon_Rep · Post by **Taeivon_Rep** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 12:46 pm

Haha thought this was going to get ugly!!
Also i believe the AWD Turbo FTO had like 300kw ATW and was in the GT300 series right?

FtoSam · Post by **FtoSam** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:48 pm

Taeivon_Rep wrote:Haha thought this was going to get ugly!!
Also i believe the AWD Turbo FTO had like 300kw ATW and was in the GT300 series right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sn0sQLMNIQ

Post by **I8A4RE** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 5:09 pm

Did a little squirt in my pants

RallyMad · Post by **RallyMad** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:37 pm

awesome.

Thats a pikes Peak car though, I can't remember now what the Taevion (spelling?) GT300 car ran, being a race car though I'm sure we can't fit it to our cars

manofwood · Post by **manofwood** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:53 pm

manofwood · Post by **manofwood** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:57 pm

Po No C-Po Machine Driver Time / Diff. Tyre
1 18 500-1 TAKATA Dome NSX Juichi Wakisaka
Katsutomo Kaneishi 2.03'21.555 BS
2 1 500-2 PENNZOIL NISMO GTR Erik Comas
Satoshi Motoyama 39.792 BS
3 37 500-3 Castrol TOM'S SUPRA Toshio Suzuki
Ukyo Katayama 52.767 MI
4 36 500-4 Castrol TOM'S SUPRA Masanori Sekiya
Takuya Kurosawa 55.407 MI
5 2 500-5 ARTA ZEXEL SKYLINE Aguri Suzuki
Michael Krumm 56.317 BS
6 3 500-6 UNISIA JECS SKYLINE Masahiro Hasemi
Tetsuya Tanaka 1'34.398 BS
7 38 500-7 FK/Massimo CERUMO SUPRA Hironori Takeuchi
Yuji Tachikawa 1 lap BS
8 32 500-8 cdma One CERUMO SUPRA Takayuki Kinoshita
Masahiko Kondo 2 lap BS
9 55 500-9 STP TAISAN VIPER GTSR Hideshi Matsuda
Eiichi Tajima 2 lap YH
10 12 500-10 CALSONIC SKYLINE Kazuyoshi Hoshino
Masami Kageyama 3 lap BS
11 19 300-1 Weds Sports CELICA Manabu Orido
Takahiko Hara 4 lap YH
12 64 500-11 Mobil 1 NSX Tom Coronel
Koji Yamanishi 4 lap BS
13 11 500-12 ENDLESS ADVAN GTR Takao Wada
Mitsuhiro Kinoshita 4 lap YH
14 61 300-2 TAEIVON TRAMPIO FTO Akihiko Nakaya
Ralph Firman 4 lap TY
15 910 300-3 NINE TEN PORSCHE Atsushi Yogo
Hideyuki Tamamoto 4 lap YH
16 35 500-13 Matsumoto-Kiyoshi TOM'S SUPRA Pierre-Henri Raphanel
Shinichi Yamaji 4 lap MI
17 16 500-14 Castrol Mugen NSX Osamu Nakako
Ryo Michigami 5 lap BS
18 88 500-15 JLOC DIABLO GT-1 Hisashi Wada
Naohiro Furuya 5 lap TY
19 7 300-4 RE Amemiya Matsumoto-Kiyoshi RX7 Haruhiko Matsumoto
Tetsuya Yamano 5 lap YH
20 26 300-5 TAISAN PORSCHE RSR Hiroaki Suga
Tomohiko Sunako 6 lap YH
21 14 300-6 ALTA SILVIA Tetsuo Kozai
Nobuo Komiya 6 lap YH
22 70 300-7 GAIKOKUYA ADVAN PORSCHE Yoshimi Ishibashi
Patrick Van Schoote 6 lap YH
23 25 300-8 MOMOCORSE A'PEX MR2 Morio Nitta
Yasushi Kikuchi 6 lap YH
24 15 300-9 Xanavi ARTA SILVIA Takeshi Tsuchiya
Yuji Ide 6 lap YH
25 39 500-16 DENSO SARD SUPRA GT Keiichi Tsuchiya
Masahiko Kageyama 7 lap YH
26 81 300-10 DAISHIN SILVIA Hideo Fukuyama
Nobuyuki Oyagi 8 lap YH
27 99 300-11 DAIKOKUYA PORSCHE Akira Yoshitomi
Tsunefumi Hioki 10 lap DL
28 21 300-12 BP-TRAMPIO-BMW Yasushi Hitotsuyama
Daisuke Ito 11 lap TY
29 30 500-17 SOK McLaren GTR Yoji Yamada
Hideki Okada 14 lap BS
------------------------------------ Retirement ------------------------------------

72 300 OKURA RX7 Akira Ishikawa
Kou Hirano 31 lap YH
100 500 RAYBRIG NSX Kunimitsu Takahashi
Akira Iida 39 lap BS
77 300 CUSCO SUBARU IMPREZA Katsuo Kobayashi
Tatsuya Tanigawa 41 lap YH
9 300 Dikokuya Prokidai PORSCHE Yukihiro Hane
Teruyuki Tokuda 43 lap DL

* 71 300 SIGMATEC 911 Masaki Jonai
Naohiro Kohno disqualified YH

manofwood · Post by **manofwood** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:59 pm

has to be running something pretty norty to beat a mclaren GTR, not to mention all the others...

manofwood · Post by **manofwood** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:09 pm

RallyMad wrote: awesome.

Thats a pikes Peak car though, I can't remember now what the Taevion (spelling?) GT300 car ran, being a race car though I'm sure we can't fit it to our cars

found out it was 4WD 4G63 with a 6 speed

SG · Post by SG » Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:19 pm

Its very low to the ground too...... realllly low

RallyMad · Post by **RallyMad** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 2:43 pm

Gotta love how fat the Works wheels look to.

Not knowing much about GT300 cars. It would be interesting to know how much they have in relation to a stock car. I think you might be lucky if it's the roof

payaya · Post by **payaya** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:09 am

Poeple have to understand, the FTO was a quick car but not anymore. The FTO was a great handling car, but not anymore.

Dont people understand that the FTO is 14 years old!!! The architecture is dated, obviously, it is in terms of development 3 generations behind current cars. People who think the FTO handles good is correct, but its sacrifices a lot of comfort for this and after all its a 60k car. Put the FTO in a test against new cars in its class and it would not come close to the current models.

payaya · Post by **payaya** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:34 am

Bennoz wrote:
SG wrote:
manofwood wrote:FTO's rock my socks! A bug-eyed WRX couldnt even hold the pace against Bennoz and myself at wakefield FFS!
yeah that is all down to driver skill though theres a huge amount of time to gain when you get good at driving on a track, like ~5 seconds. on the list i posted earlier it shows i bet a few GTR's

the FTO was built for cornering i reckon
Exactly! I was all over that Rex like a rash, he slowly started pulling away on the straight, but round the corners I went past him like he was going backwards.

Yeah but you can beat a Ferrari with a crap driver. You could beat a Ferrari with a beatle if the Ferrari driver did not know how to drive.

So surely if you put yourself in the GTR or REX you would have been able to beat your FTO. I mean I have had an FTO for yonks now, and I've driven many others cars, if I wanted a drag monster or track specialist I would invest in something else. I mean you could go buy a BA Falcon taxi spend 5K on it and it will be muck quicker than an FTO will ever be with normal mods.

I mean you could buy a XR6T spend 2k on it and it will be in the 12s easy.

mr-charisma · Post by **mr-charisma** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 3:02 am

payaya wrote:Poeple have to understand, the FTO was a quick car but not anymore. The FTO was a great handling car, but not anymore.

Dont people understand that the FTO is 14 years old!!! The architecture is dated, obviously, it is in terms of development 3 generations behind current cars. People who think the FTO handles good is correct, but its sacrifices a lot of comfort for this and after all its a 60k car. Put the FTO in a test against new cars in its class and it would not come close to the current models.

You can't be serious? sure, the FTO is what it is - It was a good car in its time, and IMO it's still a good car now .. yeah it's not going to stack up against a lot of the newer cars on the market .. and yeah, there are a few 60k or 80k cars that sh*t all over the FTO for handling & performance... but.....That doesn't make a it any less 'good' - you get what you pay for.

I put it to you that an FTO could be 'just as good' .. as some of the newer cars on the market if you spent some serious dough on it - You can pick up an FTO these days for sometimes less than 10k, I'm sure you can imagine that you could get a pretty serious setup happening if you spent 50-60k on it,even without making it AWD

For those of us who aren't obsessed with Kw ATW & all that crap, a lot of the flaws of an older car are in the way that it sounds while you're in the cabin, too much road noise, panels rattling etc ...

I've just pulled out my entire interior, laid about $850 worth of Dynamat & Stinger Roadkill & sound insulation foam, on the floorpan, interior panels, exterior skin, firewall, rear parcel shelf etc .. the difference is amazing! & I'm still yet to put the interior carpet, interior panels & boot lining back in..

Still yet to put another 36Sq ft of Dynamat in the boot & doors & Expanding foam in all the hollow body panels etc so once that is done, I am hoping that its going to be comparable to some of the newer luxury cars on the market these days.. time will tell.. if not, I'll spend a bit more

SG · Post by SG » Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:07 am

payaya wrote:I mean I have had an FTO for yonks now, and I've driven many others cars, if I wanted a drag monster or track specialist I would invest in something else. I mean you could go buy a BA Falcon taxi spend 5K on it and it will be muck quicker than an FTO will ever be with normal mods.

I mean you could buy a XR6T spend 2k on it and it will be in the 12s easy.

Bit rash... you should've put money into the suspension

Power vs weight is a lot more important on a track/circuit than on a drag strip..........anyone can put their foot to the floor on the straight coming out of the last corner but if your car needs to be able to do 12's just to catch up to a FTO on like a 1 minute circuit theres a problem...........

Post by **I8A4RE** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 6:14 pm

payaya wrote:Poeple have to understand, the FTO was a quick car but not anymore. The FTO was a great handling car, but not anymore.

What a load of sh*t, it was never that quick of a car. thats why theres f**k all aftermarket parts for them. "Boy racers', "hoons", whatever you wanna call them werent interested in them much at all. In saying that the fto is an awesome handling car and still is to this day, if your gonna compare it to a new car then you have to compare an fto with all new (stock) suspension and it handles a lot better than half the sh*t they got out there today.

payaya · Post by **payaya** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:45 pm

I8AFRE wrote:
payaya wrote:Poeple have to understand, the FTO was a quick car but not anymore. The FTO was a great handling car, but not anymore.
What a load of sh*t, it was never that quick of a car. thats why theres f*** all aftermarket parts for them. "Boy racers', "hoons", whatever you wanna call them werent interested in them much at all. In saying that the fto is an awesome handling car and still is to this day, if your gonna compare it to a new car then you have to compare an fto with all new (stock) suspension and it handles a lot better than half the sh*t they got out there today.

Ok put it into context the Integra has always been a better handling car, compare this generation to other small coupes and you'll find it does not handle anywhere near as good as the others.

The Euros have changed a lot since the days! The FTO would not be accepted today in dynamics, its way too stiff in the suspension which gives it, its sporty handling.

Give you an example! If the FTO is such a great platform why not use it in the current lancer? The current lancer is totally crap around corners, its no where near the front. So I guess thats why Mitsubishi it losing money, they spend money on making their platforms worse.

Im not being biased I have an FTO just stating the facts.

payaya · Post by **payaya** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:52 pm

mr-charisma wrote:
payaya wrote:Poeple have to understand, the FTO was a quick car but not anymore. The FTO was a great handling car, but not anymore.

Dont people understand that the FTO is 14 years old!!! The architecture is dated, obviously, it is in terms of development 3 generations behind current cars. People who think the FTO handles good is correct, but its sacrifices a lot of comfort for this and after all its a 60k car. Put the FTO in a test against new cars in its class and it would not come close to the current models.
You can't be serious? sure, the FTO is what it is - It was a good car in its time, and IMO it's still a good car now .. yeah it's not going to stack up against a lot of the newer cars on the market .. and yeah, there are a few 60k or 80k cars that sh*t all over the FTO for handling & performance... but.....That doesn't make a it any less 'good' - you get what you pay for.

For the price its a brilliant car totally agreed! But think about it, everyone is comparing the FTO to new cars thats why Im saying its not as good! Back in the days it was brilliant thats why it won jap car of the year!!

There are many cars that are better handlers for way less, have a look around and you'll see.

Give you an example.

I drive an FTO and Fiesta (known as one of the best handlers if not best for a small car) all the time, Im more than certain the FTO is slightly faster around corners, but the Fiesta does it with more compliance and is less nervous around corners.

Why is this? Upto date suspension and is a current gen vehicle.