FTEvolution wrote:payaya wrote:FTEvolution wrote:Hobbsie wrote:a manual gives you much more control of the car and stuff, allows you to get a better launch and control your handling etc. tip can do some of the things manual does but it doesnt compare for spirited driving unless you have a stall converter and stuff.
I strongly disagree with the bolded statement. I can consistently launch my car without problems with the Tip box. Loading the torque converter (approx 2500 rpm, has the engine just coming onto boost) and releasing the brakes will have me launching as quickly as I possibly can. My car would be an absolute dog with a manual gearbox and there is no way I could launch the way I do now.
Consistency is the key, I would take consistent launches over a fluked clutch dumping and missed gear changes any day.
Hey, opinions, it's what a forum is for.[/b]
How can you possibly think a Auto FTO would be a Manual???
Anyone mechanically minded person would know the manual would do better than the auto in the FTO's case.
2500rpm is coming on boost for the FTO??? 2500rpm the FTO is still sleeping. Peak power is at 7500 rpm! The FTO probably produces 70 kws at the rpm. With a manual with the shorter first gear it will get to higher rpms way before the auto does. The manual you can slip the clutch and keep RPMs at a much higher rpm which the FTO is making more power.
In your case, your an exception as your FTO is really not an FTO. Its like me saying I added a V8 to my Tip FTO, I dont have problems with lauching! Obviously not as your producing so much power!
FTO sleeping at 2500rpm? I wholeheartedly agree, of course a
standard FTO is sleeping, but, you missed the part of my post that said "
I can consistently launch
my car without problems with the Tip box. Loading the torque converter (approx 2500 rpm, has the engine just coming onto boost) and releasing the brakes will have me launching
as quickly as I possibly can." That sums it up for me, as I understand my car is not a normal FTO. My car certainly isn't sleeping at 2500 rpm...
Unfortunately for you, the part of Hobbsie's statement that I quoted was a generalisation about manual vs tip boxes, which is what I based my opinion on. Not FTO vs FTO...
I never said that an auto FTO (let's assume a GPX) would beat a manual FTO (again let's assume a GPX); what I said was that for consistency, and taking into account the engine package that I have in
MY car, that tip is better
FOR ME.
As for me saying I don't have problems launching, having a high powered engine causes more problems than you may be aware of if it is a manual, especially if it is through an un-modded 'box.
As I said before, consistency is the key. What is the point of getting that one off 0-400 time, or that awesome 60 ft time if you can't do it again?
Also, if you may or may not have noticed, I did not say he was wrong, I said I disagreed, there is a difference.
It is a pity that you mention "Any mechanically minded person would know...," because I believe any mechanically minded person would know that how many KW an engine has is irrelevant when we are talking about acceleration, which we are. Torque is what matters, my car has a decent amount of torque from approx. 1500 rpm and I have full boost at 2500 rpm. Torque is tractive effort, and far too many times "power" is thrown into a conversation by people who don't know the difference.
Let's put this into a bit of perspective, why does a WRX with ~90 KW atw piss all over an FTO with 100-110 KW atw? And before you can say traction is the issue here, the FTO will not even come close to gaining on the WRX once it has traction and they keep accelerating. The answer is torque, and the turbo delivers it in boat loads.
It is a pity people don't actually read peoples' posts entirely before telling them they are wrong, it sets other people off on a rant. To the rest of the club, I apologise
(Mods, feel free to edit/delete this post if necessary).
/rantOver
