modifying your tiptronic gearbox

droidy · Post by **droidy** » Sat Nov 11, 2006 5:57 pm

Hi everyone, just wondering, have any Melbourne tiptronic drivers been to Japenese special vehicles in Thomastown- apparently they modify tiptronic gearboxes! The guy there was saying they can get them to shift into gear quicker????? Something to do with the hydraulic mechanism (???)- possibly physically shortening some moving part, not too sure.
Sorry I'm not very familiar with the semi auto gearboxs. I don't quite understand, I've just heard that they apparently 'lose' power compared to the manuals. Or are they just not as quick (tip fto's) because they take longer to 'catch' the next cog. They were saying that the process of modifying them was similar to the way people used to fix the problem with auto xe falcons- like I, or probably any other fto guy has ever had an xe falco, haha. Nonetheless, sounds interesting.

whitegpx · Post by **whitegpx** » Sat Nov 11, 2006 7:10 pm

Actually High performance imports had a article about comparing the manual and tip GPX, on the roller dyno, the manual was 101kw at the wheels, tip was 95kw, about 5 percent difference. They road tested both cars, the tip box responsed quite well, they said by an average steer the tip might be quicker, I don't know how the tip goes, I haven't driven one yet, but I think Mistubishi made a good tip box for FTOs...

FTEvolution · Post by **FTEvolution** » Sat Nov 11, 2006 8:27 pm

The tip box in the FTO is Porsche designed, and with all the tip boxed cars I have driven (which is quite a few) it is by far the best.

My old tip GPX (before the TT one I have now which is also a tip) got 111 kW at the wheels at Harman's here in Christchurch.

Has anyone noticed how the quickest Rotary boys are usually running auto boxes? There is a reason for that too, no botched gear changes, gets rid of the biggest flaw in the Drag Racing system, the human behind the wheel.

My box in the 6A13TT equipped car has had a strengthened Dif head, better bands and extra friction plates(not sure if thats what they are called). Had no problems whatsoever so far. 6 months of abuse.

FTO338 · Post by **FTO338** » Sat Nov 11, 2006 9:19 pm

droidy wrote:Hi everyone, just wondering, have any Melbourne tiptronic drivers been to Japenese special vehicles in Thomastown-

Few of us been there, let just say none of us are impressed by them, I particular think they are clueless.

Post by **BorepYano** » Sat Nov 11, 2006 9:30 pm

so disappointing, got me all excited for nothing lol

been looking at possibly going manual in the future (cant do it now cos auto was the condition for keeping it in the garage, in case folks have to move it... they cant drive manual), but been driving auto for so long, kinda dont want to change to manual now.

got all excited cos i thought this might've been something of a best of both worlds... lol

so is there anything that can be done for the tip box, so it doesnt lag that much? (oil changes etc.. aside of course, any mods?)

Post by **I8A4RE** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 1:54 am

man i been driving manuals all my driving life and then i got the tip and would never go back i love it. sitting in traffic moving then stopping evry meter and not having to hold that f**ken clutch in. i couldnt care if im slighty slower i dont need to compensate for anything lol. but in saying that i would be interested in modifing my tip but on,y if guys who know what the hell they r doin

Liquidity · Post by **Liquidity** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 3:46 am

I will never drive an auto, purely for wally factor.
The clutch gives you that added edge of control over the car. Its also a emergency safety. need power off fast, you can use the clutch. Want to feather a launch in the rain...etc etc.

Dr_Jones · Post by **Dr_Jones** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 3:56 am

Liquidity wrote:need power off fast

I find the brake is quite good for slowing down no matter what kind of transmission you have.

Post by **I8A4RE** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 3:56 am

I will never drive an auto, purely for wally factor.
The clutch gives you that added edge of control over the car. Its also a emergency safety. need power off fast, you can use the clutch. Want to feather a launch in the rain...etc etc.

what a load of sh*t u can do all those things with a tip.

Dr_Jones · Post by **Dr_Jones** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 3:59 am

It really is like a blonde vs brunettes argument. I prefer brunettes it doesn't mean I would enjoy driving a blonde. I have a tip and enjoy driving it even quite hard, I feel very in control and I think a lot of people that have tips perhaps don't drive them to their full potential. However there are times when I wish I had a manual but stuck in traffic with a burger/phone/woman etc I prefer my tip.

Post by **I8A4RE** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 4:03 am

totally agree man i drive mine very hard as well. but after all this discussion i want go head to head with a manual fto and a mivec i want see what all this hype is about cause i aint seen yet just a lot of talk

Liquidity · Post by **Liquidity** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 1:47 pm

Dr_Jones wrote:
Liquidity wrote:need power off fast
I find the brake is quite good for slowing down no matter what kind of transmission you have.

Its not always ideal. Ie, when the cars getting a bit sideways, occasionally i dont touch the brakes because i find it unsettles the car more than pushing in the clutch for a split second and feathering it back in.

I8AFRE wrote:
I will never drive an auto, purely for wally factor.
The clutch gives you that added edge of control over the car. Its also a emergency safety. need power off fast, you can use the clutch. Want to feather a launch in the rain...etc etc.
what a load of sh*t u can do all those things with a tip.

Maybe, if you have traction control.
But consider these...
If your throttle sticks, it takes more time to shift into neutral or hill, hit the brake pedal, than to smash the clutch down.
With most manuals, you can double-clutch down into first at much higher revs than the auto equivalent will let you.
Theres an inherent lag in the process of registering your input, and the actual gear change. Albeit, the actualy shift is fairly quick in an fto tip.
Engine braking. Just doesnt feel right in a tip, and isnt consistent.
Traffic lights. Shift to neutral, chill. In an auto, you reach to get something, your foot slips, the car creeps forwards, potentially very bad.

I wont get started on economy, power, reliability, or replacement costs.

Your all just lazy.

jonowong · Post by **jonowong** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 1:50 pm

lols on your traffic light thing, id hafta disagree, manual can roll back when u slip on the brake pedal and roll you back!

lols and you can shift into neutral in a tip when at the lights too

barfy · Post by **barfy** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 2:41 pm

keep me posted guys i will be looking into this also for my EVO VII its has the 5 speed invecs tip box and im aiming for around 200 to 220atwKW so will possibly have to go down this road so the box can handle the power

jonowong · Post by **jonowong** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 2:51 pm

i remember jeff strengthed his fto tip box for the 6a13tt conversion but he ultimately converted to manual...

Post by **Bennoz** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 6:46 pm

Yeah best Tip mod for an FTO is to pull it out & put in a manual box

Having said that, most of the quickest dragsters in the world run tricked up auto boxes.... but none of you own dragsters so...

mxysxy · Post by **mxysxy** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 8:18 pm

Dr_Jones wrote:It really is like a blonde vs brunettes argument.

Agreed, been there done it,
they can both redline bigtime, mostly because I can drive well

khunjeng · Post by **khunjeng** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:31 pm

lots of talk about manual/auto like you guys race your FTO - for those that actually have one - most of you drive it to work and down to 7/11 - for the kind of driving you do it makes no real difference and its just personal preference. 5kw less? I'II trade that for drinking a coffee on the way to work every day.

Post by **BorepYano** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 12:14 am

khunjeng wrote:lots of talk about manual/auto like you guys race your FTO - for those that actually have one - most of you drive it to work and down to 7/11 - for the kind of driving you do it makes no real difference and its just personal preference. 5kw less? I'II trade that for drinking a coffee on the way to work every day.

lol good point.

um, just out of curiosity though, the only way to go when u mod the engine (big time), is manual? or is there an auto (preferably tip) option that will work decently?

i know there's prolly thread that i can search up, but give me a break, i'm v drunk right now

(just figured i'll get flamed less if i ask it here than if i asked in a new thread lol)

and no, i'm not going to do engine mods for a long while yet, but just wanted to know

Hobbsie · Post by **Hobbsie** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 12:39 am

a manual gives you much more control of the car and stuff, allows you to get a better launch and control your handling etc. tip can do some of the things manual does but it doesnt compare for spirited driving unless you have a stall converter and stuff.

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