Why do you want to turbo a FTO?

[FTO338]

Heres an interesting topic. I know heaps of members wanted to turbo their FTO and at one stage i wanted too.

The FTO had fantastic look with great handling and balance, so i thought a bit more power wouldn't hurt and turbo charge would be the best for the bucks.

But i changed my mine after i've seen some had blow their engine, cold start problem, heat issue, crashed their FTO because they simply can't handle a FWD turbo and worst, even with LSD and semi slick, it get beaten by N/A FTO at mountain because of torque steering.

So i decided to leave it to N/A and rather spend a lot more money on parts then just turbo charge it, no point upsetting the balance of a car that isn't design to handle high power, especially when the turbo is tuned for low end, the FWD just can't cope with the "sudden" boost.

I've notice few members had agree to this point, as they either bought a turbo car as a second car or simply just "traded" it.

I don't want an arguement here, as there is no right or wrong, i just want to know what is the motivation for members wanting to install a turbo?

[Liquidity]

And why do such people spend all the money on a turbo conversion BEFORE They spend money on advanced driving courses/track days?

[jonowong]

i really wanted a turbo really badly at one stage... because i thought the fto looked nice but lacked some nice straight line punch, losing to sss pulsars, n/a supras, type Rs and turbo cars got me really upset, but then i thought $10,000 to just keep up with turbo cars? or $15,000 to beat a stock one and they dump $5000 into their car and they'll be pulling 12s and again they beat me...
not really worth it...
$15,000 would be enough to buy me another fto, or sell mine and get myself a EVO6 or 200sx or a R33 and even a R32 GTR which all of them are actually built for turbos and would eat a fto badly.... turbo or not...

at one stage i even considered buying mikeys car, like really considered it, booked flights to melbourne to see it and planned to stay at kevs house and have him drive it back up for me as well...

[FTO338]

And why do such people spend all the money on a turbo conversion BEFORE They spend money on advanced driving courses/track days?

Good questions, i do recommend advanced driving for everyone. But it still won't help with torque steering. Funny though, in advanced driving they teach you how to overcome some "oversteer" situations but not "understeer". I guess its because there isn't much you can do when it happen.

And had anyone notice, all the advance driving course that provided a car instead of using your own, they are either RWD or AWD, i yet to see a FWD.

at one stage i even considered buying mikeys car, like really considered it, booked flights to melbourne to see it and planned to stay at kevs house and have him drive it back up for me as well...

Yeah you bastard, bug me for like 2mths for that. I'm like an international touring guide for some of the members here

[Liquidity]

And why do such people spend all the money on a turbo conversion BEFORE They spend money on advanced driving courses/track days?

Good questions, i do recommend advanced driving for everyone. But it still won't help with torque steering. Funny though, in advanced driving they teach you how to overcome some "oversteer" situations but not "understeer". I guess its because there isn't much you can do when it happen.

And had anyone notice, all the advance driving course that provided a car instead of using your own, they are either RWD or AWD, i yet to see a FWD.

Really? I learned about three ways to combat understeer, the hard way (sh*t yeah pants in the hills method).
Throttle off, hard turn in, instantly back on to constant throttle when the nose tucks in. Constant is the KEY Word.
That, or tweak the handbrake, that, or straight line it, and emergency brake, and pray

[FTO338]

Is that from the course though? ehehe everyone will say back off the throttle, but it doesn't matter what you do in a real situation, the car just won't turn once its understeer, so like you said the only option is handbrake and pray

I've try a few times at the mountain when i was younger, but never again.

[Bennoz]

If you're loosing the front to understeer when you have the foot down, the worst thing you can do is back off.... next thing you know you're battling oversteer! Take it from a man who has a 140bhp Mini!

[Liquidity]

If you're loosing the front to understeer when you have the foot down, the worst thing you can do is back off.... next thing you know you're battling oversteer! Take it from a man who has a 140bhp Mini!

LOL, that'd fly. And for sure, oversteer, I like to just ease off the throttle a little, hold it constant. You dont just kill it, nooooo way.

[Bennoz]

lol yeah, the key is to have the right speed coming into the corner. And the only way to know that is to have driven the track before!

[Hobbsie]

hmm i know there is a few defensive driving courses that lets u bring your own car.. u would probably miss out on a bit in a FWD though since a lot of the anti skid tehcniques are useless in one

[khunjeng]

the turbo topics lasted 2 posts.

more power is fantastic anyone who disagress should really get some and find out...if you have the money why not? who gives a toss what some 17 yo wanna be lancer owner with a droid copy kit thinks?

if i wanna spend a months salary on a turbo kit I will...approval pending from the boss...but its a fun project and only worthwhile IMO if u plan to do a lot of it yourself, Redline is a classic example and I take my hat off to him.

the joy of the project is to learn...not talk sh*t on forums about stuff you really have no idea about...step away from "this guy told me" to "I have done this before and found that...."

for me it would all be about the experience..and in the end get some decent Kw out of your FTO for those times when you wanna suprise that special some1 at the lights...

its not about the money or cost per Kw or even if its faster than my R33...its about the car..and making it your own..

[SG]

its not about the money or cost per Kw or even if its faster than my R33...its about the car..and making it your own..

yeah i agree

regarding the driving instructors not teaching FWD correct steering techniques is about 100% correct from what ive experienced. ive got a lsd in my car and driving around a corner fast is so muich competely different than driving a normal FWD car. you're basically on your own afte ryou brake and turn in at the right spot.. most seem to say 'now easssse it in braking smoothly [while] in gear then gently ease on the accelerator', which sounds right but im thinkin (in my head), bs, i could floor it anytime and still have full grip with this lsd, because it gives you more grip when you accelerate and a tighter turning circle until your tires run out of grip. so, uh, im still working out what to do there.

what ive noticed on the track:
if you have a lsd and u accelerate the steering gets sharper and if u let off it gets looser and goes straight on more. so if you go around a fast corner and accelerating on the wrong driving line, and you let off the throttle you'll straighten up and go off the track, if you brake you'll straighten up and go off the track (if your going too fast), if you freewheel you'll truely understeer off the track, and if you accelerate more, and prey, you'll only half go off the track - but thats with my setup (lsd and front strut bar only) .. i hear if you have big anti roll bars and let off throttle you'll oversteer

[dstocks]

And the only way to know that is to have driven the track before!

Or wet grass in a paddock. Used to have fun by flicking the steering in a spot where there was noting to hit (RWD). The car will just start doing 360's. The fun was to then try and get it to stop........Makes you realise how powerless it can be in certain situations.

And on the turbo thing, have thought about it briefly (who hasnt). Cost vs benefit kills the thought every time so far. Maybe one day when I have more cash I might try for AWD + Turbo - Just to be different - would need much more cash than I currently have though......

[khunjeng]

And the only way to know that is to have driven the track before!

Or wet grass in a paddock. Used to have fun by flicking the steering in a spot where there was noting to hit (RWD). The car will just start doing 360's. The fun was to then try and get it to stop........Makes you realise how powerless it can be in certain situations.

And on the turbo thing, have thought about it briefly (who hasnt). Cost vs benefit kills the thought every time so far. Maybe one day when I have more cash I might try for AWD + Turbo - Just to be different - would need much more cash than I currently have though......

Calling Nacho..

[FTO338]

And on the turbo thing, have thought about it briefly (who hasnt). Cost vs benefit kills the thought every time so far. Maybe one day when I have more cash I might try for AWD + Turbo - Just to be different - would need much more cash than I currently have though......

I've look into that like 4yrs ago, my mechanic and I even bought a crushed evo 5 to play with, installing the evo engine and its mount is the easy bit, but to modify the floor plan to suit the gear box and diff, get a new fuel tank, strengthen the chassis, and then get the whole car engineer for street legal, takes way too much time and money. So in the end, we use that evo "wreck" and transfer it onto another mate's normal CE lancer.

Still i love to see someone go ahead and actually do it properly.

[dstocks]

TIme to dust off that get rich quick scheme again.....

[Nacho]

And the only way to know that is to have driven the track before!

Or wet grass in a paddock. Used to have fun by flicking the steering in a spot where there was noting to hit (RWD). The car will just start doing 360's. The fun was to then try and get it to stop........Makes you realise how powerless it can be in certain situations.

And on the turbo thing, have thought about it briefly (who hasnt). Cost vs benefit kills the thought every time so far. Maybe one day when I have more cash I might try for AWD + Turbo - Just to be different - would need much more cash than I currently have though......

Calling Nacho..

Will post pics and give update when parts arrive from NZ...

[I8A4RE]

the turbo topics lasted 2 posts.

more power is fantastic anyone who disagress should really get some and find out...if you have the money why not? who gives a toss what some 17 yo wanna be lancer owner with a droid copy kit thinks?

if i wanna spend a months salary on a turbo kit I will...approval pending from the boss...but its a fun project and only worthwhile IMO if u plan to do a lot of it yourself, Redline is a classic example and I take my hat off to him.

Couldnt agree more mate

first off im all about style so i wanted a car that made a statement and looks exotic. im just about to get paint job and kit, exhaust and rims when i get back (early nov)and have been planning next mods and that leaves interior and engine etc. took my mates skyline for a drive the other day and realised i need more power the feelin rocks (as we all know). but i want it from my little baby i dont care how long it takes or how much money. After all its only money i also appluade redline cause he did it right. I reckon just not to go overboard i would be happy payin 5k for a 50+ kw gain (dont know if thats what he got) but still worth researchin

[FTO338]

I reckon just not to go overboard i would be happy payin 5k for a 50+ kw gain (dont know if thats what he got) but still worth researchin

Is that at the wheel or at the fly, either way you never going to get that out of a FTO with $5k.

[I8A4RE]

so come on redline wats the go? what is your fto puttin out at the wheel?