The big question.. Manual or Auto/tip, mivac/non mivac

UberFish · Post by **UberFish** » Sun Aug 10, 2003 1:01 pm

Now i heard all the stories which say get the auto if your in a lot of traffic and stuff like that. What i want to know is there any advantage of getting a auto over a manual or viceverser.
Do they both go as hard as eachother? Also, which gear box is easer/cheaper to get replaced if it dies in the butt? Stuff like that. Whats your fav?
Just one more thing, is the mivac engine really cool? is it worth shelling out extra for one? ta!!

elmo · Post by **elmo** » Sun Aug 10, 2003 1:27 pm

If you got the coin go for GPX Mivec Manual 5 speed. Definately the fastest and the best 'Drivers' car.
On the other hand if your only gonna be stuck in traffic and driving slow would probably be better to get moped. hehe
Nah seriously the GPX is fastest + nothin else matters to me but everyone is different

JSP-INC · Post by **JSP-INC** » Sun Aug 10, 2003 1:56 pm

i test drove a Tippy and a manual and i found that the manual a lot more responsive and even shifting the tippy in manual didn't do much for me... Maybe it was just that specific car... *shrugs*
Having said that, i'm in traffic all the time, and yeah i would prefer theoption of have to shift manually and just dozing around in auto (tiptronic)

Rusty12 · Post by **Rusty12** » Sun Aug 10, 2003 3:13 pm

IMO, you really have to rev the tiptronic to get great response. Manual's just aren't practical in the city, and the Mivec engine is a bitch to fix. The mivec has more power, but you can regain that power by doing other mods.

The tip is great if you know how to drive it.

rxboy · Post by **rxboy** » Sun Aug 10, 2003 3:34 pm

A little off topic but still related. How many of u tip owners shift-up while having foot firmly planted on the accelerator? As far as I know this is not a problem. But now that my tip transmission has broken, i'm beginning to wonder about the long-term effects of hammering it in tiptronic mode.

MattG · Post by **MattG** » Sun Aug 10, 2003 6:24 pm

I find shifting with your foot flat is the ONLY way to work it. If you lift off the accelerator, change up and then accelerate again, it jerks into gear a bit. Keeping your foot flat is a smooth change.

Yeah from what I have read on other websites, the manual is quickest. The manual gearbox would also be cheaper than the tiptronic to replace and also modify.

Manual FTOs seem to be harder to find than tiptronics (well they were a couple of years ago anyway).

M@

Cohn · Post by **Cohn** » Sun Aug 10, 2003 7:22 pm

Uberfish. When i was looking at my fto's, i test drove, both GR manual, GR Tiptronic, GPX manual, GPX tiptronic,

, i made sure to really get to know them all before i made up my final mind. I now have a GPX manual... but... the reason i chose it was this.

Firstly, to start off with... The tiptronic models, i thought, were really a cheap solution to a car such as an FTO, seemed like i was driving a family car... On both the GPX and the GR it really didn't have the right feel for the car. I am quite hot on manuals, and that may be influencing my decision. Man for dudes, and Tip for chix is the way i see it(all you tip's out there are loving this ey?

). Besides, i have heard of a variety of Tiptronic's that have actually failed out (maybe like RXboy). Just heard numerous stories of the box becoming stuck in 3rd gear or something like that. I also remember that when i was shopping i seemed to come across a variety of tip FTO's with damaged boxes being sold for the 12000-13000 mark. The Man FTO's would also be easier to fix usually, depending on what the problem is(new plates around $600, compared to a new tip box for $1500). Tiptronic FTO's are obviously cheaper though, as there are so many of them around (compared to Man), i actually once came across a figure somewhere that only %15 of FTO's were man. (what the f*ck is wrong with these Japanese!!!

)i think you will find a gap of around 500-1000 between Man and Tip. However, there are a lot of FTO owners out there who arn't aware of the rarity of Man compared with Tip, and so they mark their prices in accordance with the market value at the time.

About the GPX and the GR, i donno, maybe it was just me, but i didn't mind the GR that much, besides its ONLY when you hit the 5000rpm's that you are getting the extra 10kw or so. But as you said, city driving doesn't really allow you to rev above 5000 in any other gear other than first. Look, i decided to go for the GPX because in the long run, it was simply an extra $400 or something, and i could handle that... Going for a GR does NOT mean there are going to be HUGE compromises. The GR engine is also a little easier (hence cheaper) to deal with too (with respect to changing timing belts etc...)

I don't know how you like to drive, but i live in the bondi area of sydney and go to the city frequently. I suppose it is a little of a bitch to drive man around packed up areas, and i don't really get to flaunt out the MIVEC. But like most people, i get out at times. And it's nice to be able to REALLY race your car, and hear that MIVEC kick in heavily in second gear (especially with a nice airfilter).

If you have the extra $500-$1000 to spare dude, just go for Man GPX... it's worth it in the long run...

Good luck

Cohn

P.S. don't know if you've thought of insurance, but with my company they didn't give a crap as to whether it was GPX or GR, so there's another +

dannyboyau · Post by **dannyboyau** » Sun Aug 10, 2003 9:45 pm

another thing to consider is are you going to modify it,

depending on the amount of power you are going to be aiming at, if you are considering a turbo or a engine conversion, or just a few mods to intake and exhaust

the auto is much cheaper to strengthen compared to a manual.

when they turbo most variable valve timing engines EG honda VTEC YO!!!!! they disable the VTEC YO!!!!!

ftoboi · Post by **ftoboi** » Mon Aug 11, 2003 5:56 am

I don't know why there are so many tips in Perth, considering theres hardly any traffic compared to the eastern states So if u like manuals and live in Perth, you'd probably wanna get a manual. If u r in Sydney or Melbourne, driving a manual can sometimes be a pain in the arse

I myself have an auto, and if it wasn't for the novelty of tiptronic, i'd be kicking myself everyday for having bought one, so there is a bit of a trade off buying a tip. probably stay away from GR tip's, a bit slow for my liking. Thats my 2 cents worth anyway

Also, the local ralliart dude over here says the manuals probably have 10-15 bhp more horsepower (his opinion).
Danny, did u say autos are cheaper/better for modding? whys that? and what mods go best with an auto?

dannyboyau · Post by **dannyboyau** » Mon Aug 11, 2003 6:34 am

auto is best for turbo, I hear you say why.

It is a lot cheaper and easier to strengthen a auto then a manual.

But you only have to worry about that when you start getting into some serious engine mods + a big turbo with high boost. And it is easier to drive a turbo auto in city traffic. The clutch required to handle serious power can be very harsh in peak hour traffic. Also you will be looking at over 10000 AUD to build a decent manual to handle extreme power.

I am sure there are manual turbos out there but all the ones I have seen on the web so far have been autos. I have manual with turbo and this clutch is harsh and it probably will be worse when i put the new clutch in.

it depends how much you want to spend on increasing the performance of your FTO and how much faster you want to go.

elmo · Post by **elmo** » Mon Aug 11, 2003 10:06 am

I reckon COHN summed it up beautifully and a lot less biased than me, but if you wanna go fast

Hey DBA you seriously gonna spend 10g on a box, convert to auto or just keep spitting em out?

UberFish · Post by **UberFish** » Mon Aug 11, 2003 11:01 am

Hey thanks a lot , Im living pretty much in the country (Mildura) which means there isnt too much traffic to worry about. I like the sound of the manual GPX Cohn was talking about. I guess ill drive both then make my mind up then. Cheers

GPXXX · Post by **GPXXX** » Mon Aug 11, 2003 9:24 pm

the reason i got a GPX manual is because:

1. my left foot can get bored
2. my left hand can get bored
3. i get bored whilst waiting for a good .5 secs or so for the next gear to engage (in Tiptronic)

4. i can be proud of my GPX badge (though it has since been removed from my bootlid)
5. i like the MIVEC scream when it kicks in (though i hardly go there)
6. one car, one driver - not one car, half driver (if you know what i mean)

but yes, there are times wheni wish i haave a tip, esp when stuck in long traffic (those who drive along Springvale Rd enroute to the city at 6pm will know what I'm talking about!)

MattG · Post by **MattG** » Mon Aug 11, 2003 11:40 pm

Mikey - sounds like you should buy a stock tiptronic to travel to and from work in, and then do up your manual for the weekends

M@

GPXXX · Post by **GPXXX** » Mon Aug 11, 2003 11:55 pm

MattG wrote:Mikey - sounds like you should buy a stock tiptronic to travel to and from work in, and then do up your manual for the weekends

M@

LMAO, i should ey? hell, maybe i should chop the roof on my weekend rider too hey? kekekeke...

:D

*...goes poking for coins inside the piggybank*

dannyboyau · Post by **dannyboyau** » Tue Aug 12, 2003 2:47 am

Hey elmo no way i would put an auto in there will just have to build a better gearbox that can take the amount of Hp i want to eventually get

GPXXX · Post by **GPXXX** » Wed Aug 13, 2003 1:47 pm

jerrin wrote:p.s. GPXXX: juz to make u jealous, my car's roof is chopped off *bleh*

tease....

dannyboyau · Post by **dannyboyau** » Wed Aug 13, 2003 5:01 pm

jerrin wrote:
p.s. GPXXX: juz to make u jealous, my car's roof is chopped off *bleh*

got to see some pictures of that

thecook · Post by **thecook** » Wed Aug 13, 2003 9:45 pm

wouldnt manual be better for turbo?
the auto gearbox cant handle all the power?

well i got a gpx auto, i rarely use the tip! im more of a laid back lazy person lol, havnt really had any regrets, but it pisses me off to drive around in a FOUR SPEED car... especially when im up against sh*t box 6 speed commowhores lol

FTO AUSTRALIA

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