Handling - GTO Vs DC2R

GTO · Post by **GTO** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 2:26 pm

What do you guys rekon ?.... stock for stock which one is better at handling?... the Intergra Type R or Mitsubishi GTO-NA/AWD? i got to admit though my friends dc2r is a car on rails... but what do you guys rekon?

FTO338 · Post by **FTO338** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 2:33 pm

I've driven both, the ITR R does have the edge at corners, GTO N/A are just too heavy, sorry mate.

Boris · Post by **Boris** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 2:36 pm

Hard to say...

If you just compare at say one corner, then i would say that the Typre-R has an advantage because is a bit lighter then the GTO, so it's entry speed could be higher.

However, the AWD, can give the GTO also an advantage on traction when exiting the corner... hmm..

The only way to find out is race one... come to our track day!

IMO anyway, i think Type-R... sorry

FTO338 · Post by **FTO338** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 2:59 pm

There are 300kg different between them, so i don't know if the traction would make up the lost on weight when carry through corners.

GTO · Post by **GTO** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 3:05 pm

dont be sorry lol... i knew that itr's are exellent at handling ... when is the next track day?... im getting my teins super streets hopefully by tomorrow so it would be sweet to test on track hehehe....

Boris · Post by **Boris** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 3:14 pm

There is a motorsport section of the forum...
I think it might be more even in the wet...

GPXXX · Post by **GPXXX** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 5:01 pm

AWD may be good for grip in wet conditions or straightline launches, but it's not everything Boris... the GTO tip the scales at around 1700kgs (that's more than 300kgs wieght difference against the DC2R Kev!

) and if anything, it means you'd have to brake much earlier before the apex (or the momentum from the weight alone will throw you straight onto the catnip) and being AWD, you'll encounter quite a bit of understeer as well.. a DC2R by comparison is far superior in the handling stakes due to its LSD, light kerb weight and pin-sharp steering.

at the end of the day, the GTO is just a mean-looking GT cruiser, whereas the DC2R is a true RACEBRED machine... in fact i'd almost classify it as a clubman but hey, each to their own...

my 2c.

afterburner · Post by **afterburner** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 7:25 pm

Check out the other post in this section comparing the DC2R to the FTO. The consensus seems to be that the DC2R and the GPvR FTO would be very similar, with the DC2R maybe slightly ahead. So if you were to make it to a track day, a comparision with a decent FTO (either a GPvR or a GPX with some mods) would give you a good idea.

But I would think that the extra mass of the GTO would be the killer - nowhere near as nimble or as keen to change direction as either the DC2R or the FTO. Great open road cruisers though...

D-TRAIN · Post by **D-TRAIN** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 6:07 am

GPXXX wrote:AWD may be good for grip in wet conditions or straightline launches, but it's not everything Boris...

But once you introduce Super AYC and ACD, it's a whole new different ball game again!

Corners don't seem the same anymore.....

GPXXX · Post by **GPXXX** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 12:17 pm

hmmm... true, but... since when do GTOs come fitted with AYC & ACD??

D-TRAIN · Post by **D-TRAIN** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 10:48 pm

GPXXX wrote:hmmm... true, but... since when do GTOs come fitted with AYC & ACD??

I'm pretty sure they don't. Was just making a general comment about AWD. Only Galants and E4 or 5 onwards has AYC and ACD.

AJ · Post by AJ » Sat Feb 26, 2005 10:42 am

My friends dad used to have a 3000GT (in the uk) it was twin turbo and had slight rear wheel steer. I only drove it once down his road so never got to try a corner at high speed but when those turbos kicked in...

oh my god, what a car!

His dad (an ex private rally drive) drove it hard a few times with me in it and could take most corners at frightening speeds. He got 160mph out of it on the motorway at like 6am coming back from Glasgow once, he said no cars where around and he had to take the racing line on all the bends but it felt fine.

I drove a Type R too (not sure what model is called, the one before the one that is out now) and was very impressed by that too. I went around a large round about 3 times with out having to lift off or brake.

I guess the Teggie is more nimble and faster in the corners but it would be interesting on a track as the 3000GT was way faster.

I saw on top gear once a Lotus Elise V's Bently (again can't remember model but was about 500BHP). The Bently stuffed the Lotus in a straight line but the Lotus would catch up and over take in the bends then loose again on the straight. In the end the Lotus won though.

D-TRAIN · Post by **D-TRAIN** » Wed Mar 02, 2005 1:36 pm

Just some added info on ACD power transfers:

Gravel: 30% front 70% rear
Tarmac 40% front 60% rear
Snow: 50% front 50% rear

Yes if you haven't guessed already, I've since joined the E-VII club.....

GTO · Post by **GTO** » Wed Mar 02, 2005 2:07 pm

Hey i have my Teins installed and all i can say is DAAYYUUMMM!... the handling has improved dramatically... my car hugs the road like its on rails... i still feel the weight of the car though...but its friken awsome on bends.... i still think that my freinds type r has better handling but i know for sure that mine that far from him....

payaya · Post by **payaya** » Sat Mar 05, 2005 9:01 pm

GPXXX wrote:AWD may be good for grip in wet conditions or straightline launches, but it's not everything Boris... the GTO tip the scales at around 1700kgs (that's more than 300kgs wieght difference against the DC2R Kev! ) and if anything, it means you'd have to brake much earlier before the apex (or the momentum from the weight alone will throw you straight onto the catnip) and being AWD, you'll encounter quite a bit of understeer as well.. a DC2R by comparison is far superior in the handling stakes due to its LSD, light kerb weight and pin-sharp steering.

at the end of the day, the GTO is just a mean-looking GT cruiser, whereas the DC2R is a true RACEBRED machine... in fact i'd almost classify it as a clubman but hey, each to their own...

my 2c.

GTO is heavier but it most likely have better brakes so braking distance difference problably still favours the GTO.

A lot of AWD cars understeer because of the power to the front wheels a properly sorted AWD can minimise this. FTO is FWD so you floor it around a corner it will understeer just as much if not more.

I agree from reports the GTO is just that a cruiser. Most people i know just want somethnig fast in a strait line but GTO even when weighs 1700 isnt really that heavy. Thats the same weight as a Faclon, but these cars can hide their weight and becuase its got way more power feels lighter down a strait line.

But you cant say just becuase the GTO is heavy is wont handle good and the braking distance will be greater than the FTO. All Euro poerformance cars are heavier than the GTO they still do everything great.