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GWIDO · Post by **GWIDO** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 2:28 pm

You guys seem to know a lot about something you know nothing about...

I've got a FPR, Ive experimented with different settings and I am reporting what I have found.

I'm sorry if I've confused some of you but thats the best way to explain it.

The 300% figure actually came from my mate who works at Mitsubishi.

Any idiot knows increased airflow requires more fuel to maintain mixture, for a smart guy your acting pretty dumb, just cause I worded it a bit funny.

Well, we are not most people, we are all individuals and want to know the facts and how they make our cars different...

I have not been brainwashed by RPW, nor do i think they are a good company, unfortunately the have good ideas and good products and no-one else (except steve) has the balls to put the R+D in to make em work. I have their mods and I think they are great. If you have them too then relay your ideas dont critisize. I put up with a lot of crap on this forum to help people out, not to advertise. I know my car is faster than yours, I reckon it is the fastest non-turbo FTO in WA if not AUS and if people want to ask questions they should be allowed to.

Better still if someone want to give their opinion they should be able too aswell.

And if you don't have anything nice to say dont say anything at all, especially if you dont know what you are talking about....

dannyboyau · Post by **dannyboyau** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 3:27 pm

Hey Gwido

Fastest non turbo FTO in W.A. is quite a claim as i know Liegh is the fastest proven non turbo.

I could easily make claims about how fast my car is and about the times cars have done i have beaten, but untill i have a time slip to back it up i am keeping my mouth shut.

Post by **smorison** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 3:35 pm

fastest car how??? in a straight line??? or round corners???

that's quite a big statement you've made there ... do you have a time slip to prove it??? it'd shut everyone up then

i'll happily put my car up against any tip on the race track... personally going in a straight line to me is boring... but each to their own

i was 2 seconds faster than another tip around Oran Park on the weekend and a bit over 1 second faster than a manual around wakefield before both of us had mechanical issues... (at the same time i was beaten by 1 second a lap by a GR which a very good suspension setup

- Kaveman)

ruchi · Post by **ruchi** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 3:39 pm

GWIDO wrote:The 300% figure actually came from my mate who works at Mitsubishi.

There's some interesting reading on this forum about injector capacity and utilisation rates. Likewise, doing a search on the net will give lots of info too. In short, however, most cars injectors run at around 80% of capacity (give or take a bit), allowing around 25% room for growth, not 300%.

GWIDO wrote:I know my car is faster than yours

LOL!

That's nice to know, but I don't have any "size issues" so I really don't care

I haven't had any "mines better than yours" comments since school days, so that's just funny, do you have a bigger dick too?

dannyboyau · Post by **dannyboyau** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 3:56 pm

LOL

didnt take you two long to bite did it

but i beat you this time

Post by **smorison** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 4:08 pm

hahah

yes you did...

i just like people (and companies) to prove their claims...

Post by **smorison** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 4:16 pm

ruchi wrote:
GWIDO wrote:The 300% figure actually came from my mate who works at Mitsubishi.
There's some interesting reading on this forum about injector capacity and utilisation rates. Likewise, doing a search on the net will give lots of info too. In short, however, most cars injectors run at around 80% of capacity (give or take a bit), allowing around 25% room for growth, not 300%.

just furhter on this... there is no way a car company is going to build 100% increase ability into fuel systems ... it'll cost a heap more and impact the cost of the car (both production cost and sell price)... i would be amazed if a car company build in anything above 50% .. .the 25% figure floated already sounds accurate enough as this allows for a bad batch of fuel...

MADFTO · Post by **MADFTO** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 8:43 pm

The major problem with just adding an FPR whilst making the breathing modifications is that the ECU will still be runing stock fuel maps, designed for OEM equipment.

Regardless of what everyone has said, getting an adjustable FPR is only part of a solution.

Yes, you need more fuel as more air is pumped in, that's just basic chemistry.

However, changing the dynamics of how the air is delivered and how waste products are expelled makes changes on the fuel demand at given RPM at a given load.

GWIDO: You've made some pretty outrageous claims, sure you might have been trying to get a point across, but IMHO, you've gone about it wrong. Besides even if you do have the fastest NA FTO, you need a lesson in humility. Respect will be given when it has been earned, not until then.

If you feel hard done by my comments, it's how I see things, and I won't make any apologies for being honest. That being said though, I don't really want to make anyone feel like they have been hard done by. I felt that you needed to know this as you said you've taken a lot of crap. I've just put forward what I thought was how things were, some things match what you said, other contradicted.

I've always asked for people to shoot holes in what I say, I'll be the first to admit that my knowledge isn't perfect and a lot of the time regarding the powerplant of cars, I'm only using inference to extrapolate a possible theory of how a given system works. Short of taking a chemical engineer/physics double degree, I have no other recourse to find an explaination to all of this.

Anyways, that should make up for my absence

kaveman · Post by **kaveman** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 9:04 pm

just to throw some more wood on the fire

when i have my piggy back computer fittered, we actually took fuel out and gained more power, so not always does more fuel equal more power

now i might get into some more dangerous tertory

FPR, this regulate the presure in the fuel bar, and yes i do have one fittered, i noticed it was more responsive,

now how do i explain it

here goes

fuel pump fuel from the tank to the fuel bar,(injector hang off fuel bar and supply fuel to engine), the fpr is after all the injector and sends excess fuel back to the tank

all i know is it holds more fuel and pressure so when you require more fuel its there

thankyou for your time and patience

dannyboyau · Post by **dannyboyau** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 10:24 pm

smorison wrote:i just like people (and companies) to prove their claims...

me too

LORIDN · Post by **LORIDN** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 2:14 pm

kaveman wrote:just to throw some more wood on the fire

when i have my piggy back computer fittered, we actually took fuel out and gained more power, so not always does more fuel equal more power

now i might get into some more dangerous tertory

The way that I understand this is that from factory the ecu is tuned for a air/fuel ratio that ensures the car produces the cleanest emissions, but this doesn't equal the air/fuel ratio for maximum power, so thats probably why when you reduced fuel the power increased, mind you to a degree, increasing the amount of air will increase the power, the problem is that the combustion temperature increases which will eventually destroy your pistons (running a car too lean). Unfortunately I can't give any more info on this topic as my knowledge is only based on 2nd Year Thermodynamics at uni, which only covers the basics.

GWIDO · Post by **GWIDO** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 5:05 pm

ha ha thought that would fire yez all up.
and yea i do have a small dick thats why i drive a sports car. hehe.
i dont need time slips, i'm confident, are you?

Like everyone else my knowledge is not A1 but my experiences are, I'll tell you how it goes on my car and you can make your own descision. I don't really even care how it works, I just know it does.

What sheets me is there are two types of sports car drivers, those that go all out with their mods and have a good go, and those that sit back and complain about legality, wear and tear and other issues that are not relevant to the serious modder.
take the time to think which one you all are and what type of person maybe asking the question before you dump crap on em they already know.

dannyboyau · Post by **dannyboyau** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 5:29 pm

im very confident

want run for slips

Chiangstar · Post by **Chiangstar** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 5:32 pm

GWIDO wrote:those that go all out with their mods and have a good go, and those that sit back and complain about legality, wear and tear and other issues that are not relevant to the serious modder.

so is it your opinion that someone that tries not to break the law and is concerned about the longevity of their car isnt a serious car modifier?

I'd beg to differ...

simon

dannyboyau · Post by **dannyboyau** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 5:38 pm

come on i could do with another FTO to play with

MADFTO · Post by **MADFTO** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 5:38 pm

Eh, everyone's got a different goal and have their own restrictions on how to get there, that's for sure =)

Maybe one day, a whole bunch of us can have a track day. Unfortunately though, some of us are drag strip people, and others are circuit people =)

Anyways, I'm thinking we've gotten way off topic, probably should wander back onto it =)

Chiangstar · Post by **Chiangstar** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 5:43 pm

dannyboyau wrote:come on i could do with another FTO to play with

hahah i think most of us could

i think i might have inadvertantly started all of this crap with my initial question about how FPR's work

.... *runs and hides*

simon

Black_FTOGPX · Post by **Black_FTOGPX** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 5:48 pm

come on i could do with another FTO to play with

I widthdraw my statemeant!!!!!

dannyboyau · Post by **dannyboyau** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 5:55 pm

sshhh

Dont want gwido to realise which is my car if he dosent know

dannyboyau · Post by **dannyboyau** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 5:57 pm

but i think we better stop joking around

we might upset some one

i will still race for slips if you want

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