Williams Race Services

Post by **Bennoz** » Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:49 am

Hey guys,

I just had a long chat with one of the gents at WRS in QLD. My initial call was regarding Samco hoses, as they are the Aus distributor & Im looking to get a set, however the conversation went on much longer.

If I throw their banner up on this website, they are happy to do club discount rates for us, across all their products.

The website is http://www.williamsraceservices.com.au

Whilst the FTO is not specifically listed anywhere, they are distributors for a number of companies that supply FTO components & as such can get them in for us at the right price. The type of gear they stock is more for the performance oriented driver / track day driver, but none the less, its all good stuff.

They supply AP racing calipers (which I understand have a filthy big 8 pot caliper for the FTO) they also do Brembo, DBA rotors (4000 series to suit the FTO) & Ferrodo (DS2500 pads) as well as Samco hoses.

Going back to the original reason for me calling them, was for the Samco hoses. The hose kits are around the $200 mark (a bit more for the ones to suit manual) but the more we buy, the better the price gets. We only need 3 sets to start the good pricing too. Standard blue or black are in stock, but other colours have a 3 week turn around time. Fancy colours like Metallic are 15% more, even fancier colours like camo or flames are about 30% more again.

Anyone interested? And not just in the hoses. If there's something else you may think they could supply, just ask.

Post by **aza013** » Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:58 pm

You can count me in

I will have a look at there site later tonight to see what other things I could get.

Tippin · Post by **Tippin** » Tue Feb 02, 2010 2:47 pm

im interested in all of it

, il be looking at doing a big brake upgrade soon so this would be coming at just the right time ...

rock_it · Post by **rock_it** » Tue Feb 02, 2010 4:01 pm

Sounds good to me ..

What is the exact price if we have 3 manuals for the hose kit ...

Including the delivery ...

Post by **Bennoz** » Tue Feb 02, 2010 4:03 pm

Will find out tonight, he's sent me an email my FTO Aus acc

Post by **aza013** » Tue Feb 02, 2010 5:51 pm

All I can say is "Ben you are the man"

topao · Post by **topao** » Tue Feb 02, 2010 6:06 pm

I need some new hoses, which ones are these for exactly?

jimmy1 · Post by **jimmy1** » Tue Feb 02, 2010 6:51 pm

I dont want to sound negative or anything but i could you hundred different supplies that will give a group discount if you put their banner up.

I think we (or maybe just I) need a little more info on the DISCOUNT part to make an educated decission.

Valandis91 · Post by **Valandis91** » Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:10 pm

me wanty brakes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

get some prices up ben

SchumieFan · Post by **SchumieFan** » Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:43 pm

wow, i want both hose and brake kits for my SX4, u think you can ask them nicely if they'd include it in the group buy?

Valandis91 · Post by **Valandis91** » Wed Feb 03, 2010 5:31 pm

bennoz i want to upgrade my front rotors and calipers... i have 18" forged rims and a set of super advans 17x8 +35 offset that they will need to fit under...
im planning to head to the track occasionally what would they recommend?
also for the increase in power i have i need more stopping power!

Shane001 · Post by **Shane001** » Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:26 pm

A bit of advice from someone who's been there / done that.

Be very careful of upgrading to a dual sided caliper (pistons on both sides). Do a bit of research on rotor runout. If you have sliding calipers (pistons only on one side) as are stock on the FTO, these type of caliper are not as sensitive to rotor runout as dual sided calipers. With dual sided calipers u need to keep the runout at the outside of the rotor to less than 0.05mm (or 2 thou in the old language). Anything more than that and u will likely start feeling it in the pedal, especially when u get em hot. Whereas with sliding calipers, u probably won't even notice it until it gets over 0.10mm (4 thou) as the caliper takes up some of this movement in the sliding mechanism. Trust me, unless you have machined hubs (preferably floating) and floating rotors, keeping the rotors to a managable level of runout is a lot of work.

As some of you know I race an FTO, and as long as u have decent rotors on the front (I'm currently running DBA4000), decent pads (the Ferodo's are good but wear out quick, I'm currently running Project Mu on the front, but this is for race only), decent pads for the rear and decent fluid (I use Motul RBF600), u will have no problems with the FTO brakes. I competed in a 1 hour race at Oran Park in November last year, in 40 degree heat, and had absolutely no issues with brakes.

Once u start upgrading major systems like brakes (especially if they don't really need it) it starts to become very expensive, as one thing then leads to another which then creates another problem that needs fixing, etc etc. Or u drive the car in a compromised and potentially dangerous state (ie do u know what will happen to your brake bias with these updated kits, moving the brake bias from stock can be very dangerous).

HTH.

Post by **dstocks** » Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:50 pm

Im in for a set of the manual hoses please (in the blue pictured)

SchumieFan · Post by **SchumieFan** » Wed Feb 03, 2010 11:09 pm

fkn just love you sometimes

edit: my brakes r the same as evo 3/ gpx!

J · Post by J » Wed Feb 03, 2010 11:50 pm

Shane001 wrote:A bit of advice from someone who's been there / done that.

Be very careful of upgrading to a dual sided caliper (pistons on both sides). Do a bit of research on rotor runout. If you have sliding calipers (pistons only on one side) as are stock on the FTO, these type of caliper are not as sensitive to rotor runout as dual sided calipers. With dual sided calipers you need to keep the runout at the outside of the rotor to less than 0.05mm (or 2 thou in the old language). Anything more than that and you will likely start feeling it in the pedal, especially when you get em hot. Whereas with sliding calipers, you probably won't even notice it until it gets over 0.10mm (4 thou) as the caliper takes up some of this movement in the sliding mechanism. Trust me, unless you have machined hubs (preferably floating) and floating rotors, keeping the rotors to a managable level of runout is a lot of work.

As some of you know I race an FTO, and as long as you have decent rotors on the front (I'm currently running DBA4000), decent pads (the Ferodo's are good but wear out quick, I'm currently running Project Mu on the front, but this is for race only), decent pads for the rear and decent fluid (I use Motul RBF600), you will have no problems with the FTO brakes. I competed in a 1 hour race at Oran Park in November last year, in 40 degree heat, and had absolutely no issues with brakes.

Once you start upgrading major systems like brakes (especially if they don't really need it) it starts to become very expensive, as one thing then leads to another which then creates another problem that needs fixing, etc etc. Or you drive the car in a compromised and potentially dangerous state (ie do you know what will happen to your brake bias with these updated kits, moving the brake bias from stock can be very dangerous).

HTH.

what series pads are you using (i run project mu pads aswell) these were way better then my old bendix ultimates but i feel that braking could be better due to the gr calipers/rotors.

ben - do these brake upgrades have mounts or do these have to made up to run on our fto's? i warped my fronts on my last track day so seeing these could be an option is really tempting.

rotor diameters?
minimum rim size?
come in kits/braided lines?
need to upgrade the brake resoviour (spelling?)?

Shane001 · Post by **Shane001** » Thu Feb 04, 2010 12:35 am

J wrote:what series pads are you using

H16's

Post by **Bennoz** » Thu Feb 04, 2010 9:06 am

J wrote: ben - do these brake upgrades have mounts or do these have to made up to run on our fto's? i warped my fronts on my last track day so seeing these could be an option is really tempting.

rotor diameters?
minimum rim size?
come in kits/braided lines?
need to upgrade the brake resoviour (spelling?)?

Its a complete kit from UAS.

You get PBR 2 pot calipers that were the same as VP, VN, VR & Vs HSV's (also used in C4 Corvettes & Commodore Cup cars)
330mm rotors, braided lines, mounting bracket for the calipers. Minimun wheels size is 17". Whilst you don't have to upgrade the master cylinder, I did because mine was GR.
The GR unit has a bore size of 7/8, GPX is 15/16 & the one I bought was off a Pajero (from RPW in Perth) is a 1" bore.

UAS did me a deal, the lot for $1400.

If you dont want to spend that much, swapping out the little single pot GR units & 256mm rotors for GPX gear is a bolt on job. You go to the 276mm rotor & twin pot calipers. The GPX fronts are the same as EVO II/III.

rock_it · Post by **rock_it** » Thu Feb 04, 2010 7:07 pm

Radiator pipes.. Manual.. Blue..

Valandis91 · Post by **Valandis91** » Fri Feb 05, 2010 5:13 pm

Bennoz wrote:
J wrote: ben - do these brake upgrades have mounts or do these have to made up to run on our fto's? i warped my fronts on my last track day so seeing these could be an option is really tempting.

rotor diameters?
minimum rim size?
come in kits/braided lines?
need to upgrade the brake resoviour (spelling?)?
Its a complete kit from UAS.

You get PBR 2 pot calipers that were the same as VP, VN, VR & Vs HSV's (also used in C4 Corvettes & Commodore Cup cars)
330mm rotors, braided lines, mounting bracket for the calipers. Minimun wheels size is 17". Whilst you don't have to upgrade the master cylinder, I did because mine was GR.
The GR unit has a bore size of 7/8, GPX is 15/16 & the one I bought was off a Pajero (from RPW in Perth) is a 1" bore.

UAS did me a deal, the lot for $1400.

If you dont want to spend that much, swapping out the little single pot GR units & 256mm rotors for GPX gear is a bolt on job. You go to the 276mm rotor & twin pot calipers. The GPX fronts are the same as EVO II/III.

bennoz for $1400 i must have these! any chance of getting them before the 15th of feb???

pretty pleeeease

EDIT: Also need the pads to be ferodo ds2500

Post by **Bennoz** » Fri Feb 05, 2010 6:31 pm

Bloody hell, you're like nvr2low, a bloody drug dealer... with all the cash you splash about

That kit comes from UAS mate, not WRS. For them, just call John @ UAS - 9620 9000. Mention you're a FTO Aus member

Keep in mind, those Ferrodo pads are more expensive than what they give you in that kit standard, so expect a higher price tag.