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Hobbsie wrote:a manual gives you much more control of the car and stuff, allows you to get a better launch and control your handling etc. tip can do some of the things manual does but it doesnt compare for spirited driving unless you have a stall converter and stuff.

The 4 Speed Tip is a good box, but is not properly mated to the FTO. Everyone knows the FTO needs high rpm to sustain good power. Why make 1st and 2nd gear so tall? For 2nd gear to approach 140km/h its obvious the shift from 1st to 2nd would cause the FTO to be is very low revs which it does. What to FTO needs shorter first and second gears with a taller final gear this would give the FTO better acceleration.

The manual has an extra ratio which makes every gear that little shorter which gives it better acceleration.

If the FTO has a modern 6 speed eg ZF 6 speed Auto it will actually be faster than the Manual even if the manual was a six speed.

The way the ZF box does things is very short ratios with super quick gear changes. Look at most modern day ZF cars, they are quicker than the manuals.

FTEvolution wrote:

Hobbsie wrote:a manual gives you much more control of the car and stuff, allows you to get a better launch and control your handling etc. tip can do some of the things manual does but it doesnt compare for spirited driving unless you have a stall converter and stuff.

I strongly disagree with the bolded statement. I can consistently launch my car without problems with the Tip box. Loading the torque converter (approx 2500 rpm, has the engine just coming onto boost) and releasing the brakes will have me launching as quickly as I possibly can. My car would be an absolute dog with a manual gearbox and there is no way I could launch the way I do now.

Consistency is the key, I would take consistent launches over a fluked clutch dumping and missed gear changes any day.

Hey, opinions, it's what a forum is for.[/b]

How can you possibly think a Auto FTO would be a Manual???

Anyone mechanically minded person would know the manual would do better than the auto in the FTO's case.

2500rpm is coming on boost for the FTO??? 2500rpm the FTO is still sleeping. Peak power is at 7500 rpm! The FTO probably produces 70 kws at the rpm. With a manual with the shorter first gear it will get to higher rpms way before the auto does. The manual you can slip the clutch and keep RPMs at a much higher rpm which the FTO is making more power.

In your case, your an exception as your FTO is really not an FTO. Its like me saying I added a V8 to my Tip FTO, I dont have problems with lauching! Obviously not as your producing so much power!

My Machine FTO is a TIP! I love it , i prefer it over the Manual Anyday...WHY!!!

1) When i am in the city i can RELAX in Traffic and I dont Get Cramps

2) TIP is awersom especially when you have your Women next to ya!

3) Manual Gives abit more Power! Big Fken Deal.

My MIVEC FTO 2.0L 98 model has a Porsche TIP When i bought the car the guy showed me the actual paper's that it got imported with a Porsche TIP. So i am cheering. and they flyyyy

My FTO is 5 Speed TIP! I've Blown SR20 SSS Manual With Extracter's...They are Nothing but SQUARE BOXES!

My 5Speed TIP flyessssssssssss!!! it;s soo Quick & i have 5 Gear's.

Oliver89 wrote:My FTO is 5 Speed TIP! I've Blown SR20 SSS Manual With Extracter's...They are Nothing but SQUARE BOXES!

My 5Speed TIP flyessssssssssss!!! it;s soo Quick & i have 5 Gear's.

I've got a 7spd tip and can eat your fto for breakfast, lunch and dinner

FTO338 wrote:I've got a 7spd tip and can eat your fto for breakfast, lunch and dinner

You might as well add Qucik Snacks and Tea. ( no sh*t )

Off Course you will.

My car came with a Flux capacitor...the guy I think his name was Doc or Marty showed me the papers.

payaya wrote:

FTEvolution wrote:

Hobbsie wrote:a manual gives you much more control of the car and stuff, allows you to get a better launch and control your handling etc. tip can do some of the things manual does but it doesnt compare for spirited driving unless you have a stall converter and stuff.

I strongly disagree with the bolded statement. I can consistently launch my car without problems with the Tip box. Loading the torque converter (approx 2500 rpm, has the engine just coming onto boost) and releasing the brakes will have me launching as quickly as I possibly can. My car would be an absolute dog with a manual gearbox and there is no way I could launch the way I do now.

Consistency is the key, I would take consistent launches over a fluked clutch dumping and missed gear changes any day.

Hey, opinions, it's what a forum is for.[/b]

How can you possibly think a Auto FTO would be a Manual???

Anyone mechanically minded person would know the manual would do better than the auto in the FTO's case.

2500rpm is coming on boost for the FTO??? 2500rpm the FTO is still sleeping. Peak power is at 7500 rpm! The FTO probably produces 70 kws at the rpm. With a manual with the shorter first gear it will get to higher rpms way before the auto does. The manual you can slip the clutch and keep RPMs at a much higher rpm which the FTO is making more power.

In your case, your an exception as your FTO is really not an FTO. Its like me saying I added a V8 to my Tip FTO, I dont have problems with lauching! Obviously not as your producing so much power!

FTO sleeping at 2500rpm? I wholeheartedly agree, of course a standard FTO is sleeping, but, you missed the part of my post that said "I can consistently launch my car without problems with the Tip box. Loading the torque converter (approx 2500 rpm, has the engine just coming onto boost) and releasing the brakes will have me launching as quickly as I possibly can." That sums it up for me, as I understand my car is not a normal FTO. My car certainly isn't sleeping at 2500 rpm...

Unfortunately for you, the part of Hobbsie's statement that I quoted was a generalisation about manual vs tip boxes, which is what I based my opinion on. Not FTO vs FTO...

I never said that an auto FTO (let's assume a GPX) would beat a manual FTO (again let's assume a GPX); what I said was that for consistency, and taking into account the engine package that I have in MY car, that tip is better FOR ME.

As for me saying I don't have problems launching, having a high powered engine causes more problems than you may be aware of if it is a manual, especially if it is through an un-modded 'box.

As I said before, consistency is the key. What is the point of getting that one off 0-400 time, or that awesome 60 ft time if you can't do it again?

Also, if you may or may not have noticed, I did not say he was wrong, I said I disagreed, there is a difference.

It is a pity that you mention "Any mechanically minded person would know...," because I believe any mechanically minded person would know that how many KW an engine has is irrelevant when we are talking about acceleration, which we are. Torque is what matters, my car has a decent amount of torque from approx. 1500 rpm and I have full boost at 2500 rpm. Torque is tractive effort, and far too many times "power" is thrown into a conversation by people who don't know the difference.

Let's put this into a bit of perspective, why does a WRX with ~90 KW atw piss all over an FTO with 100-110 KW atw? And before you can say traction is the issue here, the FTO will not even come close to gaining on the WRX once it has traction and they keep accelerating. The answer is torque, and the turbo delivers it in boat loads.

It is a pity people don't actually read peoples' posts entirely before telling them they are wrong, it sets other people off on a rant. To the rest of the club, I apologise (Mods, feel free to edit/delete this post if necessary).

/rantOver

looking at my FTO dyno which had peak power at 106rwkw..at 2500rpm it was making about 37 rwkw. Hardly "comming onto boost"

in comparision my r33 is 85rwkw at 2500 rpm...

as for WRX fto comparisions...we all know the score..AWD makes a bit of difference....so does the turbo!

How about compare Imprezza 2.0R (2006 model mind you) and it does 0-100 in about 11.6 with the auto!!! now how sh*t is that! or 8.8 with the manual..

As for torque etc...I think he knows mate. And I'm not sure where all that came from after reading the thread or why its relevant. whats this about full boost? is your Turbo???

Oliver89 wrote:My FTO is 5 Speed TIP! I've Blown SR20 SSS Manual With Extracter's...They are Nothing but SQUARE BOXES!

My 5Speed TIP flyessssssssssss!!! it;s soo Quick & i have 5 Gear's.

sigh... you really shouldnt be allowed on the road...
and have respect for other cars.
Would you like people telling u that your car is a peice of sh*t?
Or do you like it better when people show some respect?

Liquidity wrote:
Its not always ideal. Ie, when the cars getting a bit sideways, occasionally i dont touch the brakes because i find it unsettles the car more than pushing in the clutch for a split second and feathering it back in.

FALSE!

if you pop it into neutral you have NO CONTROL.

brakes will steady you if you tap them, if you jam them on of course you run the risk of sliding (sounds like you need to get on a track and learn some car control

Liquidity wrote:
Maybe, if you have traction control.
But consider these...
If your throttle sticks, it takes more time to shift into neutral or hill, hit the brake pedal, than to smash the clutch down.
With most manuals, you can double-clutch down into first at much higher revs than the auto equivalent will let you.
Theres an inherent lag in the process of registering your input, and the actual gear change. Albeit, the actualy shift is fairly quick in an fto tip.
Engine braking. Just doesnt feel right in a tip, and isnt consistent.
Traffic lights. Shift to neutral, chill. In an auto, you reach to get something, your foot slips, the car creeps forwards, potentially very bad.

I wont get started on economy, power, reliability, or replacement costs.

Your all just lazy.

also FALSE, the tip box can be pushed straight into neutral from drive without lifting or braking.

also, the Tip box changes gear in .6 of a second so this "lag" you speak of is acctually non existant, and ALSO (as someone said) most drag cars do use auto boxes even the top fuels use them for that very point.


sigh... one big bitchy arguement....

SchumieFan wrote:sigh... one big bitchy arguement....

Which came first the tip or the manaul?

hahahaha

thats a toughy.... if you put a computer in a manual to change the gears as fast as a tip id have to say the manual..... but then thats exactly what an auto box is!

argh!

lock this bastard please someone!

khunjeng wrote:looking at my FTO dyno which had peak power at 106rwkw..at 2500rpm it was making about 37 rwkw. Hardly "comming onto boost"

your fto would have 0rwkw at 2500rpm and peak power would still be 0rwkw. sorry couldn't help myself seen you post like that a few times

Dr Jones wrote:My car came with a Flux capacitor...the guy I think his name was Doc or Marty showed me the papers.

thats pure gold

how about we all just agree that our opinions are what they are. opinions. and opinion cant be wrong. statements can be but lets not worry about that.some people prefer tip. some manual.
Now i own a manual. which i love and would never buy a tip. but i can fully appreciate those who own one. because i can understand not wanting to have to clutch in clutch out all day..
as far as performance, as far as fto's go, "generally, manuals are a bit quicker. wether that be because of weight savings or whatever, i dont know. im not a mechanic. but its so marginal, you shouldnt really care!
what it really boils down to is what YOU want from your car.. what you would love to drive. wether thats enjoying the pure driving bliss of an fto without worrying about gear changing etc, or wether you love the feel of the control with a manual box.it doesnt matter.
different people like different things. otherwise they'd all be built the same. now can everyone just be happy that we have variety in this world? so the fto was brought out with the two modes (or 3 boxs). just be happy you have the one you want. this arguement should never have started.
all you have to say is "hey you have a tip! i like manual personally but i can respect your decision to get what you wanted and not what I wanted. because im a mature person, etc etc." now clean it up guys.

hahah, trying to be all deep and meaningful and stuff eh? lol

Samson wrote:just be happy you have the one you want.

btw, i'm not happy cos i dont have the one i want, i want the 5speed tip, but i'm 1 spped short lol

well your fault.... live with it... (hows that for deep and meaningfull!)

Samson wrote:(hows that for deep and meaningfull!)

lol, not very at all

nuh i'm actually really pissed with myself for not doing the research properly when i bought my car, i really do want a 5 speed, but i didnt know they existed till i got on this forum... which was a month after i bought my car i think

I scrolled down this thread in the hope of reading something new & exciting... then I kept scrolling....and scrolling...and scrolling...now a quick post & Im movin' to the next thread!

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