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Re: engin upgrade

Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:29 am
by Bennoz
Yeah, but it's the having :D

Mine makes about 230kws at the front wheels on 18 pound & wheel spins all the way to 4th if you want it too.

Yes you can stroke them, yes you could also bore it, there's plenty of meat in the block. Just gotta find some pistons suitable for the job.

Re: engin upgrade

Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:09 pm
by spetz
When boring an engine it's not the meat on the block but the thickness of the sleeve that matters.
I think if you want to go over 82mm bore or so you'd need to resleeve it. Then you can likely run 86mm bore giving you a 2.8L.

Of course this is just speculation.

Re: engin upgrade

Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:14 pm
by silverGPX
spetz wrote:When boring an engine it's not the meat on the block but the thickness of the sleeve that matters.
I think if you want to go over 82mm bore or so you'd need to resleeve it. Then you can likely run 86mm bore giving you a 2.8L.

Of course this is just speculation.

Calm down buddy, lol.

Re: engin upgrade

Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:17 pm
by Sahin
spetz wrote:When boring an engine it's not the meat on the block but the thickness of the sleeve that matters.
I think if you want to go over 82mm bore or so you'd need to resleeve it. Then you can likely run 86mm bore giving you a 2.8L.

Of course this is just speculation.
Nothing worse then having a thick sleeve on

Re: engin upgrade

Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 2:41 am
by spetz
No doubt somehow this will turn out to be a thread about El Presidentes homosexuality :lol:

Re: engin upgrade

Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 5:14 pm
by viper-99
how much screwing around am i looking at by dropping in a 6a13 and can they do fine only running one turbo

Re: engin upgrade

Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 5:16 pm
by Sahin
viper-99 wrote:how much screwing around am i looking at by dropping in a 6a13 and can they do fine only running one turbo
Good luck to ya!

Re: engin upgrade

Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 5:30 pm
by bjk
I read half of Bennoz conversion thread and that put me off, haha.

Re: engin upgrade

Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:26 pm
by ZFL45H1
bjk wrote:I read half of Bennoz conversion thread and that put me off, haha.
In the defence of this conversion bennoz has a lot og money in it haha

Re: engin upgrade

Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:27 pm
by Taz
bjk wrote:I read half of Bennoz conversion thread and that put me off, haha.
You know you dont have to spend a bajillion dollars on a conversion right?
A stock 6a13 is perfectly fine and wont cost upwards of 70k...

Re: engin upgrade

Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:29 pm
by bjk
Taz wrote:
bjk wrote:I read half of Bennoz conversion thread and that put me off, haha.
You know you dont have to spend a bajillion dollars on a conversion right?
A stock 6a13 is perfectly fine and wont cost upwards of 70k...
:lol: Exactly.

I'm gonna have a motto. Stay NA - Don't f*ck sh*t up.

Even then things'll break.

Re: engin upgrade

Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:36 pm
by Taz
Read what i said again ;)

Re: engin upgrade

Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 8:08 pm
by bjk
Taz wrote:Read what i said again ;)
I did so and I think I'm still missing the point.

Care to elaborate? :lol:

Re: engin upgrade

Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 8:30 pm
by Taz
Taz wrote:6a1 3
As in, its all well and dandy to do the conversion, but you dont have to modify it past stock, its not a requirement - its fast enough for most people as it is - dont let bennoz seemingly endless amount of wealth and knowledge scare you off doing it..

Re: engin upgrade

Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 8:45 pm
by bjk
Taz wrote:
Taz wrote:6a1 3
As in, its all well and dandy to do the conversion, but you dont have to modify it past stock, its not a requirement - its fast enough for most people as it is - dont let bennoz seemingly endless amount of wealth and knowledge scare you off doing it..
I was under the impression that bennoz build is actually stock. But a lot of sh*t went wrong. Guess it wouldn't be the same case every time, but still.

Re: engin upgrade

Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:22 am
by spetz
As far as engine conversions go I don't think a 6A13TT is a particularly difficult one.
Of course you can run a single turbo setup but maybe it would be best to initially run the motor in stock trim and then upgrade as you see fit.

Re: engin upgrade

Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:12 am
by phunkydude
Even for a stock 6a13tt, most ppl will tell you they're straight swap / easy job.

And, most garage will bullshit you with the quote of 2 grand for the job done in 3 days time.
(while they've never dealt with this conversion before)

but then, 4 weeks later if you ever get to pick your car up that is, and ready to get slap with a bill of 8 grand.

There is nothing cheap in Australia for custom job, unless the mechanic is your mate that don't charge you for anything or ripping you off.

Re: engin upgrade

Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:24 am
by Bennoz
bjk wrote:
Taz wrote:
Taz wrote:6a1 3
As in, its all well and dandy to do the conversion, but you dont have to modify it past stock, its not a requirement - its fast enough for most people as it is - dont let bennoz seemingly endless amount of wealth and knowledge scare you off doing it..
I was under the impression that bennoz build is actually stock. But a lot of sh*t went wrong. Guess it wouldn't be the same case every time, but still.
More the fact that I had to upgrade a bunch of sh*t to get the maximum out of it in stock guise.

- Had to put in expensive coil packs so I didn't get blow out at high boost
- Used vernier cam gear to adjust exhaust timing. Retarding them by 2 degrees essentially gave me an extra 20kws.
- Larger injectors to keep fuel supply up for the high boost
- Larger (twin) fuel pump setup to keep fuel supply up
- Larger 3 inch exhaust to cope with volume. Smaller size restricted power.
- Gearbox keeps blowing up - fact of life, the primary bearing is of poor rating.
- Diff blew up - moved to Wavetrac unit.
- Kept tearing engine mounts, had to use hard solids
- Kept over heating, found slimline fans (and fans size) to keep it in check
- Used larger throttle body, had to bore out manifold to suit.
- Countless hours on the dyno getting the tume right.

So effectively, all I've done for everyone else, is R&D. I could give you a list of parts that will give you a 230kw engine. In bog stock format, it'll only make 150 odd kws.

Re: engin upgrade

Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:47 pm
by bjk
Ahh, righteo. Not that I could afford even the most basic of anything atm. :lol:

Re: engin upgrade

Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:54 pm
by Daniel2019
bjk wrote:Ahh, righteo. Not that I could afford even the most basic of anything atm. :lol:
Dont worry, I'm living on a diet of vegemite toast and cocopops at the moment :lol: