Danny's And Jeff's 6A13 turbo Conversions

So you want a hairdryer on your FTO? Or do you already have a hairdryer in it? This is the section for it. All other big power projects & forced induction goes here too.

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G1 wrote:sh*t if i knew you were after evo brakes i woulda told my friend to sell his evo6 brembo brakes to you! it was going for $1000 i think...

hey have you made up your mind on what youre gonna do about the front lip??

arrrrghh!!! is it still available?? is it?? you'd be hard pressed to find brembos for $1000 these days!!
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if he still has them ill take them
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G1 you can get the spoiler for 150 as it is slightly damaged, email me on FTOLTD@hotmail.com we can make arrangements.
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well just got back from the dyno with good news and bad news

seems there is a vibration under heavy load, hopefully it is just engine mounts, cross my fingers i have broken one. Though it does not seem to be coming from the drive line and bazza from barries dyno thinks it is an engine mount vibration.

The good news we still managed too pass 400 Hp just and that was with very conservative timing to use bazzas words.

He dosent want to push it hard till I sort out the vibration, so who knows how far past it will go.

Well we got 402 Hp at 18 Lb boost will post the graph latter on when i get a chance to scan it in.

And the engine sounded great no loss of spark at all under high boost, Bazza was impressed with the engine, took 18 Lb boost with no problem and the vibration is deffinatly not coming from the engine.

So anyone thinking of doing this conversion just using the twin turbos, you will be safe, i think mine is just a bit to powerfull for the drive line, but touch wood it will only be a engine mount.

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will let you all know how it turns out.
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would the twin turbo fit without needing new manifolds though?
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you could probably keep the old manifolds but then you would have to modify other things around the engine to make them fit the easiest way is to get new manifolds made up.

depends how far you want to go but if you turbo the 6A12 mivec engine you are going to have to get new manifolds made and crack the engine open if you want to run any decent boost, the main reason i used the 6A13 engine is it is built for a turbo the 6A12 mivec in the FTO is not built to run a turbo. so you can get a cheap conversion done on your existing motor and unless you run low boost the motor is not going to last too long then you will need to spend more money. in my opinion the engine swap for the 6A12 or 6A13 is the best way and would be cheapest if you dont do the extra bits like i did. but hey i was aiming for 400 HP plus at the wheels so i still got a lot to do yet so that the whole drive line is strong enough to last the distance.

the engine mount looks ok but hard to be sure with out pulling it out will get wheel balance tomorrow just too see if it might just be a wheel balance problem.
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DBA rotors are the same for the FTO and Magna, but are still not listed as far as I know. (at least not in the book we looked in a few months ago)Just depends if the guy in the shop knows what he is talking about. Perth brake parts have em in stock. but not the cross drilled ones which you probably want.

Hey danny, on the off chance, have you compared a 6a12 and 6a13 crank. Is the 6a13 really that much stronger or is it just the rods etc?
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sorry mate havent had a look at the 6A12 crank and only had a look at the 6A13 with the sump off, but David at RPW would probably know. give him a call.

DBA list the Gold rotors in there online catolouge

http://www.dba.com.au/catalogue/DBA%20Catalogue.htm
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finally got around to scanning the graph and dyno data.

plus posted a couple of pics taken by a mate when i was at the WA fto driver training day today, was good fun and great to meet a few other fto drivers
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dannyboyau wrote:finally got around to scanning the graph and dyno data.

plus posted a couple of pics taken by a mate when i was at the WA fto driver training day today, was good fun and great to meet a few other fto drivers
bet your beast was the star attraction of the day at the meet eh? :wink: :o
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the car was but my driving wasn't
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BAD NEWS

with a touch of good news

well went back on the dyno ( a differant dyno and differant tuner ) and we got it tuned up a bit better but it had so much torque that it shot off the dyno and then i think either the straps or the rollers shot it back about two feet and ripped off the rear spoiler and damaged the boot as it went into the dyno exhaust vent ( not happy), and now with the extra torque the clutch cant hold and is letting go. so now have to source a twin plate clutch and get the spoiler and boot fixed. but it now has about 20% more torque than a skyline GTR and the graph was heading straight up on both the torque and Hp when the clutch let go. Was a bad day first the damage to the car and then after they added more straps and secured so it couldnt go backwards sideways or forward with about 6 extra straps then normal, then the clutch lets go.

But the good news is the vibration had been fixed
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hey are original Daytona Dcuatro side skirts i imported from japan but there are copies available in most states now.

Check out this former post has some details

http://www.ftoaustralia.com/modules.php ... opic&t=309

and if you are in WA contact Bruce at fibre vision
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Sorry danny but lost a bit of confidence in RPW. They keep trying to sell me their products (exclusively) and are offering advice that I think is a bit tainted and biased towards these products.

Now about that clutch slippin.

My 6a12 has started doin this too so yours did well to handle 400 horses.
Seems to only do it when clutch up and mivec is on. ie redline change, clutch up at 5500rpm, slips to maybe 6000 and drops back to 5 as it grips.
And before you ask, with foot right off the clutch pedal but other right on the gas.

Guess it would be bit different cause yours is turbo though...
Do you use the standard clutch (same as mine)?
I think maybe the pressure plate is not strong enough to clamp the disk properly at full noise/power?
This could be changed just by getting it resprung hey?

Could you please let me know how you go, cause will need to do my clutch soon.
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i didnt get anything done by RPW my clutch has a 4 puck ceramic clutch plate and 40% uprated pressure plate, going to go twin plate now.

So will have a 4 puck ceramic clutch plate and uprated pressure plate for sale soon and it drives ok only lets go when it starts getting around 500 Ft Lb of torque going through it so it will be fine on any normal FTO.

Oh and the clutch plate was brand new and the pressure plate was completly reconditioned. There is just way to much torque
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Post by d_stroy_r »

I was about to say Danny.

How on earth cam you have such a powerful car without getting a aftermarket clutch?

Mine is a aftermarket clutch and Raymond from Car Quest suspects it's either a twin or even a TRIPLE plate clutch because it's so dam hard to press to the floor.

Sorry to hear about that incident, by the way.
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wow it would be nice to know what sort of clutch you go t in yours and who makes it, I havent been able to find a twin plate for the FTO but i assume you can get them in Japan
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i think it's cusco, not sure thoush :?

Ye from japan, can't get them here.
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At the moment i am looking at modifying a twin plate out of a 300 ZX to fit into the FTO, but would rather use one made for the 6A13 engine if i can find one that will handle the torque this thing is putting out.
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