manual or tip?

zuihoujueding · Post by **zuihoujueding** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:15 am

Hi guys, im choosing between a gpx. i personally drive manual but have never driven a tiptronic before.
how different is it?
is it as exciting as the manual? faster or just a some gearstick fun for the boring driver?

what do i need to look for when buying a gpx?

SG · Post by SG » Sat Sep 30, 2006 2:45 am

depends what you see yourself driving it like i reckon

i see myself driving pretty hard in motorsports so i got a manual... plus it keeps me busy compared to an auto.

i think the tip gear change is delayed by about a second

though the tip would definetly be more suited for daily driving
im thinking of changing my brass button clutch soon for a non brass heavy unit if i can just because of the daily driving

zuihoujueding · Post by **zuihoujueding** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 2:54 am

tip is delayed by 1sec? its as good as not having one...

Post by **BorepYano** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 4:54 am

definately delayed, but the delay varies a little depending on how well u look after your gear box and stuff, and if u learnt to drive in an auto it helps too (they teach you to back off the accelarator when u change gears, that shortens the delay ever so little).

basically the tip is just like an auto with a little bit of extra control and it changes down gears so u dont labour but never changes up even if u r about to blow the car up.

if u look after the tip and drive around with it for a while, u'll get the hang of it and timing the gear change wont be a problem.

i've heard (from a lot of ppl on this forum) that the tip doesnt go as hard as the manual, but on the upper hand u dont have to worry about much when you are stuck in peak hr traffic. i personally got a tip, cos 1 it was the condition for keeping it in my parent's garage, 2 cos i'm a lazy prick lol

tip is basically a pretty version of auto, anything u can do with tip u can do with auto with a little bit of getting used to.

so to some it up:

if u r going to race it - manual, if u r going to use it on the road and u dont like to ride the clutch and constantly go through 1st and 2nd gear every min or so - tip.

Rocco · Post by **Rocco** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:30 am

Its simple,are you a driver or a passenger?

If you are a driver, get a manual.

If you are a passenger,don't bother and buy an exel instead.

FTO338 · Post by **FTO338** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 1:00 pm

The tip doesn't delay for 1sec, its around 1/2 a sec. So all u have to do is change your gear early and it will be fine.

E.g. if you want to change gear at 8000rpm, u just change it around 7500rpm and due to the delay, it will change at 8000rpm. I don't see a big deal of it. You just need to learn to drive it.

But the real decision should comes down to where do you drive the most, if is in the CBD area, then i suggest a tip. But if you go on to open road a lot then manual is the way to go.

I use to own both manual and tip FTO, but i end up selling the manual one first, because i drive a lot of shot trips with traffics and around CBD.

zuihoujueding · Post by **zuihoujueding** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 1:09 pm

i stay at newcastle. traffic is not as bad as sydney, but i drive 2hrs down to sydney like at least twice a month.
so how much heavier is the tip compared to manual? maybe i get a tip so my gf can drive it too?

RedlineGX · Post by **RedlineGX** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 1:58 pm

My tip was a lot faster than a second to switch (I had the 5spd) but ultimately you cant compare a tip to a manual. Tip is basically a controlable automatic. It just means you have the power to tell the car at what rpm you want it to gear up/down etc.

I converted mine to manual and never regretted it but as was said all depend on what you want the car for. Manual also allows more power to get to the wheels whereas the Tip will lose about 15hp more. Also manual will handle more power if you plan on doing serious mods.

Liquidity · Post by **Liquidity** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 2:34 pm

other advantages to manual.
1) lesser running costs. Maintenance is cheaper
2) cars going nowhere, f**k....wait, it was just a clutch/flywheel. Dirt cheap to replace compared to an entire auto assy.

I think people also need to consider that a manual gearchange is not instant. want to time your changes? I'll bet most people dont take only half a second to change gears when cruising around the city normally.

sublime19 · Post by **sublime19** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 8:07 pm

dude seriously.. get a manual.
no offense to the people who own tip, but to if your buying a sports car get a manual! You can't complete the feeling of thrashing your car unless u drive manual, tip is great if that's your thing.
I would advise you to get a tip only if:
You can't be bothered changing gears all the time and want luxury over speed.
You can't drive a manual (i couldnt before I had my fto, i learnt manual on it)
Somebody is paying you $5000 if you buy a tip..

and you can already drive manual, plus u don't have to go through peak hour traffic, so I don't even know why you're bothering to ask such an onvious question.. go for the manual! lol sorry.. but if I had bought a tip, then I would have thought it was normal (cos I wouldn't even feel what it feels like to drive a manual fto) but I bought a manual and I'm so glad I did cos you're in so much more control and it just completes the feel more than anything else! Honestly, "tiptronic" is just a fancy way of saying auto!
(plus a stock manual GR will beat a stock GPX - just barely though, since I raced a white mivec fto a while back and by the time we hit 80 he was almost a full cars lenght behind)

If you're going to buy a tip so your gf can drive it, then just buy a family car

(Once again, I don't meant to offend any tip owners, this is just what I would prefer to buy and giving advice based on where he lives and he can drive manual already)

Post by **Bennoz** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 8:08 pm

Get manual, buy a short shifter, heavy clutch, change the friction point of the plate & youÂ´ll have yourself a nice quick manual box.

zuihoujueding · Post by **zuihoujueding** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 8:19 pm

actually i've already made up my mind on manual. but just want to get some comments on tip since i;ve never driven a tip before.