Employment Problems

jonowong · Post by **jonowong** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:18 am

I was wondering if anyone could help me out or tell me if this happens to everybody, im on a 6month uni holiday and ive been looking for work for 2months now and i just cant seem to find any jobs, they all require experience and the ones that dont are totally unrelated to what i want to do in the future (accountant/financial advisor), even if i want to do something unrelated i find it very hard to find a job as a store assistant even...

the only jobs i can find are... kitchen hand and telemarketing or sales with commision based pay.

does this experience problem happen with everyone?

n can someone hook me up with a job in sydney?
im so bored at home

pagan · Post by **pagan** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:34 am

i had a similer problem, back when i did uni. i figured out a way to get around it. find a friend who has a business, or even invent one. now you dont have to make it a ralevent job, it could be cleaner, and your after store assistant what ever, but i have found that if you are employed, then you have a better chance. i sought work for about 3 months after uni. no go. dont make up jobs in your resume, coz it doesnt work, just make up your CURRENT job, so that your employed.
i got my sister (architect) to say i worked for her as a floor planner. ( which i had done during early uni, but not at the time) it wasnt remotly associated with the job i went for... BUT, because i was employed, i got the job. first time too. i think it has something to do with, if he is good enough for them he can work here, or lets nab him.... i dont know why, but its that way.
and remember to point out skills you learned through that job that related somehow to the one your after.

hope this helps... its not exactly honest, but considering your just a number on the payroll for companies, i doubt karma will care very much. oh and for the high and mighty out there who think its stealing a job... its dog eat dog, and providence is taken by the will...

Post by **Bennoz** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:42 am

And good with PC's jonowong?

FTOluv · Post by **FTOluv** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 10:37 am

the most stupidest thing that employers ask from graduates is EXPERIENCE!
like for F*** sake, how is someone that just graduated expected to have experience??? Obviously people are force to make stuff up.

afterburner · Post by **afterburner** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 10:47 am

Ahh yes I had this problem as well when I first came out of university. Its incredibly frustrating...

What I did was my brother got me a job where I worked for free for one of the subsidiary companies at his work. I was only there a month because by then I had found a proper job - as mentioned above, it's MUCH easier to get a job once you have a job. Dumb I know, but it seems to be the way it is. So even though I was working for free, I knew the experience would be worth it in the end...

FTO338 · Post by **FTO338** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 11:03 am

Hmmm when I was in Uni, I had two part time jobs, & thatâ€™s how I got my experiences. I just get any job to start of with, like kitchen hand, waiter, office "coffee boy" blah blah blah.

So in my resume I can put down experience like

Customer service (waiter)
Team orientated (kitchen hand)
Result focus (office clerk)

You get the drift, you don't have to get a job thatâ€™s related to what you study at the start, and as long as you have some sort of communication/experience with the "real world" then is easier to get a related job for your next holiday break.

jonowong · Post by **jonowong** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 11:31 am

yep im good with PCs yeh i tried making up stuffs still no luck?

so i should just get any job? and go with the kitchen hand job?

thanks for the help guys

FTO338 · Post by **FTO338** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 11:42 am

Get a job you feel most comfortable with, but don't get too picky, after all employment history is also important too. HR people don't like to see "bunny hopper". And you don't want to get stuck in a job that you don't like for the sake of experience for the entire period of your holiday.

akuma3 · Post by **akuma3** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 3:30 pm

Back in when i was in Uni when i had holiday break i just take whatever job is available of because not like those "clean up the street job", but like kitchen hand, sales ... anything becomes available to me

What i'm trying to say here is i have lot of friends they're so up themself and think oh i'm a bloody graduate student, i got degree & qualification etc etc ... why should i do this kinda job?

For me i'll just take whatever i got offer for temp jobs, if full time start with anything to get experience and move to the next one

Post by **Bennoz** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 3:57 pm

jonowong wrote:yep im good with PCs yeh i tried making up stuffs still no luck?

so i should just get any job? and go with the kitchen hand job?

thanks for the help guys

If you are any good with PCs & computer stuff, go & register with a contracting agency. I recruit field engineers (mobile computer technicians) through 2 companys - Elan (aka Manpower) and Sapphire Technologies.

My guys can earn upto 25 bucks an hour & work whatever hours suit them.
Unfortunately Im full up at the moment, but those agencies supply a number of companies with contract employees.

Boris · Post by **Boris** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 5:41 pm

It took me about 2 months to find my job.
It all comes down to how you market yourself.

Experience does help heaps. Just think if you were hiring would you hire someone that has experience or someone that doesn't?

Study and actually working in the work place is completely diffrent, i bet they don't teach you about office politics etc at uni...

Nah but seriously, get anything you can, even if it is for 3 months.
Get your CV checked by someone in the know and write a really good cover letter as well!

Recruitment companies although they are really good to get you foot in the door, i wouldnt stay with one for a long period of time as the pay tends to be less then say the same job without a recruitment company, so maybe you need to sign up with like 3 or 4 recruitment companies..

Slither · Post by **Slither** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:06 pm

There's no substitue for experience, even if it isn't that related to the field you want to work in. Employers are hesitant about employing people who don't have a lot of experience cause there is nothing to go off. Without sounding harsh sitting in a class and studyin doesn't give much of an idea about your abilities.

Sometimes it's better to work in those lower jobs as well becase it shows that your not all high and mighty and above all that. rememeber, most employers started out stacking shelves or flipping burgers

payaya · Post by **payaya** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:56 pm

I was lucky my friends uncle owns a collections company. From no experience, now im a supervisor, and am in the legal side of things. Knowing people really help.

My job description is basically talking to solicitors, receiving calls off debtor solicitors, going to court, sueing, etc. So its given me heaps of opportunities in the future.

Usually its harder for a male to find an office job without experience. Females have the advantage of receptionist, and from what ive seen in the corporate industry, females work better!

Once your in the industry gain the experience, your jobs choices are endless!

jonowong · Post by **jonowong** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 10:17 pm

lol
now im in a dilemma...!!!

Dan Murphys in Strathfield have hired me for a xmas casual job which is about 30 hours of work a week at casual rates till the end of dec then i have no gauranteed job the pay is about $12 an hour before tax and theres this kitchen hand job where i only work 3 days a week (fri,sat,sun) but get $12.50 cash in hand... thing is i cant do both i dont both jobs have their upsides... dan murphy is great for holiday work... but kitchen hand is more of long term because i can do it during uni
confused
dunno what to choose haha

payaya · Post by **payaya** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 10:21 pm

kitchen hand is hard! You dont even have time to breath.

12 bucks an hour?? thats below minimum wage!!!

scarecrow · Post by **scarecrow** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 12:54 am

!!!!!!11111111

ahew · Post by **ahew** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 1:37 am

jonowong... go for the Dan Murphy's job. I'm in Strathfield so I should be able to get some cheap grog right?!??!?

hehe..

For real though, when I was in uni, I found nothing was better than working in a few retail jobs. Best was finding a job in a phone store with my customer service experience. The kitchenhand job pays 50c more per hour, but you're going to be "pigeon holing" yourself into the hospitality industry. this is not where you want to be positioned. In other words, think about the longer term and not the short term gain.

with customer service experience you can pretty much go for a whole range of jobs. hell, when i was in my previous helpdesk manager role I was interviewing guys that were willing to learn the ropes in IT and from a customer service background. I wasn't even considering those with too many IT certifications as I considered them to be overqualified anyway (most get bored too easily and then leave in a few months!).