Mods that led me to 14.320 @ 96.90mph wd 2.159 60"

MrFT000 · Post by **MrFT000** » Thu May 26, 2005 7:58 am

Whats the size difference between the FTO and the Magnas TB?

Magna 65mm
FTO ??

Boris · Post by **Boris** » Thu May 26, 2005 8:12 am

I think it could be 60mm.. Or around that mark.

RedlineGX · Post by **RedlineGX** » Thu May 26, 2005 8:29 am

Hey anyone know which year/model Magna can bolt onto the FTO?
Thanks

Boris · Post by **Boris** » Thu May 26, 2005 9:01 am

Mitsubishi Magna TR, Made in Australia i think, made from 1991 to 1994 i believe

FTO338 · Post by **FTO338** » Thu May 26, 2005 11:57 am

FTO TB are 60mm

MrFT000 · Post by **MrFT000** » Thu May 26, 2005 12:24 pm

so is 5mm (get your rulers out) really going to make That much of a difference???

Black_FTOGPX · Post by **Black_FTOGPX** » Thu May 26, 2005 12:25 pm

Guyâ€™s I donâ€™t like to say this, but I think the TR (2nd Gen magans) only have a 60mm TB.

Itâ€™s the 3 rd Generation magnas TE,TJ,TH which have a 65mm TB

Post by **Bennoz** » Thu May 26, 2005 12:28 pm

that much of a difference?

Nope! As a rule all it will do is smooth out throttle response..

But if ya got a few mods like exhaust, CAI or ported inlet manfold / plenum, you might see a kw or 2 improvement. Especially for only $40 bucks...

HRD2BQT · Post by **HRD2BQT** » Thu May 26, 2005 9:26 pm

Barfy

I think you better off buying a manual lancer (cheaper) and adapt the tip box just like changing auto to manual.

Black_FTOGPX
As to what model my TB came off I'm not sure. All I know is that when we went to a wrecker and found this TB labeled TR Magna and did a quick measure up and yes it is 65mm. It could be off TE TJ or TH, for as long as the engine capacity is 3.0 - 3.5

MrFT000
I wudnt make much of a difference pwoer wise, but responsiveness of the engine will improve and expect to gain more flow if the intake path bored out to match the bigger TB.

wildfaye · Post by **wildfaye** » Fri May 27, 2005 2:34 am

HRD2BQT wrote:The TB itself is a bolt on unit but I swapped the bottom part (water/coolant valve i think it is) of the FTO's to the Magna's TB to make use of the OEM hose fittings. The one's on the Magna is facing the opposite direction, u can still use it but you'll need to change the hose fitting to a longer ones.

Erm, some questions:
1) you say its a direct fit becos it bolts on the exact same places rite?

2) but the bottom is opposite? do you have a pic of both? I done quite understand the swapping of the bottoms portion

3) how much is it?

Cheers
Sam

HRD2BQT · Post by **HRD2BQT** » Fri May 27, 2005 3:09 pm

The TB itself is a bolt on unit. The reason why i swapped the water/coolant valve is bcoz my rubber hose fitting is a little too short to hook up wd the magna TB valve. I also mentioned there that U can still use the stock magna if u r prepared to change the hose. There's no real big deal. Or perhaps you can adjust the actual connector to face just like d stock FTO valve but make sure you re-seal it wd teflon to avoid leaks.

It didn't cost mo anything, str8 swap it was.

Black_FTOGPX · Post by **Black_FTOGPX** » Fri May 27, 2005 3:23 pm

Hey HRD2BQT

Sorry to be a pain, but can you see a part number on the TB can you.

I wouldn't mind doing this myself.

If not dont worry about

Thanks

wildfaye · Post by **wildfaye** » Fri May 27, 2005 8:57 pm

HRD2BQT wrote:The TB itself is a bolt on unit. The reason why i swapped the water/coolant valve is bcoz my rubber hose fitting is a little too short to hook up wd the magna TB valve. I also mentioned there that U can still use the stock magna if u r prepared to change the hose. There's no real big deal. Or perhaps you can adjust the actual connector to face just like d stock FTO valve but make sure you re-seal it wd teflon to avoid leaks.

It didn't cost mo anything, str8 swap it was.

Okie, let me paraphrase that.

1) the TB from Magna is direct bolt on (all mounting points)

2) the bottom of the FTO TB(water/coolant) is removed from the FTO TB and bolted onto the bottom of the Magna TB. The mountings of the two different water/coolant valve is exactly the same on the underside of the 2 TBs except for the fact that the inlet/outlet is exactly opposite on the 2 TBs. this way, we can plug in the OEM FTO hoses to the new Magna TB.

Sorry for being longwinded

Does anyone know if Mitsy has a Tb thats bigger than 65mm? direct bolt on as well??

Cheers
Sam

Post by **Bennoz** » Sat May 28, 2005 2:11 pm

I now have a spare 65mm TR magna TB - $80 bucks for anyone who wants it. Personally I reckon it would be a real pain in the ass to fit - especially with the spring return on the wrong side... and if you flip it upside down - sure you could still mount it, but then your cooling lines are sticking straight up

Also bear in mind: Sure the inlet is 65mm, but the butterfly valve is still only 60mm (same as FTO.)

It was just coincidence that when I went to take mine off, I found it was already done BIGGER AND BETTER! (God bless Ralliart modified cars)
Whats been done to mine? The entire length of the unit is bored out to 65mm. A 65mm butterfly has been used, the opening area has been machined in a gradual increase from 65mm at the butterfly to 68mm at the end of it.
Remeber gradually 'throttling' air smoothly from a large diametre to a smaller diametre can have its advantages. The air cools and becomes more dense (ie better combustion) and it also speeds up as it is goes into the smaller are - turbo owners will know more on this topic.
It no wonder I've never had any pedal response issues...
But yeah - If you wanna try this, Ive got a spare unit from the Magna

Black_FTOGPX · Post by **Black_FTOGPX** » Sat May 28, 2005 8:02 pm

My friend got me a couple of throttle bodies to play around wiht last night.

And it looks like that some of the Gen 2 magnas have a 60mm TB and some have 65mm.

All the Gen 3 V6 magnas have a 65mm one.

The main problem is that all the gen 2 TB's have the throttle spring and the wrong side.

So it looks like the Gen 3 ones are the way to go.

FTO338 · Post by **FTO338** » Sat May 28, 2005 8:34 pm

So which series is Gen3?? T....???

Black_FTOGPX · Post by **Black_FTOGPX** » Sun May 29, 2005 1:27 am

Gen 3 magnas are TE,TH ,TJ and i think there are a few more.

Post by **Bennoz** » Sun May 29, 2005 3:34 am

Yeah you want:
TE 96 - 97
TF 97 - 00
TH 99 - 00
and later..