Need HELP on what to expect...(nOOb)

CSV · Post by **CSV** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 3:38 pm

So you put show before Go? Personally looks are very important to me, and I know they are to csvperformance as well. All I am trying to do is to create a fast, showy looking car on a decent budget. Dont give me this
"If you want to go fast buy another car bullshit," this is the car that we have all chosen. I am just simply seeking more power and performance.

MrFT000 · Post by **MrFT000** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 4:31 pm

This has probably already been covered, but who amongst the FTOAustralia members has the highest power output, not including the turbocharged or supercharged models?

Maybe this might give CSV an idea of what can and has been achieved

CSV · Post by **CSV** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 4:40 pm

MrFTOOO has a good idea. Who has the highest output??

BuCkEt · Post by **BuCkEt** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 4:59 pm

Sorry matey - I don't put out.

csvperformance · Post by **csvperformance** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 5:19 pm

Sure if i was after a full on 1/4 mile drag car I would have invested in a GTR! But that wasn't what I was after it was looks aswell and FTO's are damn sexy!, However a bit quicker than a 14.9 would be good!

G_A_V · Post by **G_A_V** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 5:57 pm

different cars are in different condition (mechanical wise) you cannot expect to bolt on X and get Y. There are many other varibles you need to consider.
A stock fto should get around 90-95kw @ the wheels (manual) with an auto around 5kw less. this should be good for around 15 sec passes, modified ftos with 110kw @ the wheels should be able to break 14.5 maybe low 14's Im guessing.
But the biggest factor comes down to the driver, a correct launch and perfe4ct changes, will bear much better gains then those mods listed above

CSV · Post by **CSV** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 7:17 pm

Ok thanks I will keep that in mind

RichardH · Post by **RichardH** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 11:16 pm

G_A_V wrote:A stock fto should get around 90-95kw @ the wheels (manual) with an auto around 5kw less. this should be good for around 15 sec passes, modified ftos with 110kw @ the wheels should be able to break 14.5 maybe low 14's Im guessing.

Mine achieved 111kw at the wheels on a 3rd gear dyno run, and ran repeatable 14.8-14.9 second quarter mile runs. Good quality r-comps, all sane removable stuff out of car, well-serviced vehicle (recent injector clean, valve clearance adjust, new plugs).

Hope this helps.

- Rich

Slither · Post by **Slither** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:21 am

CSV wrote:So you put show before Go? Personally looks are very important to me, and I know they are to csvperformance as well. All I am trying to do is to create a fast, showy looking car on a decent budget. Dont give me this
"If you want to go fast buy another car bullshit," this is the car that we have all chosen. I am just simply seeking more power and performance.

Sorry mate i wasn't having a go but i'm wondering what your "decent budget" is?? By the time you invest in all of the things you have mentioned you will have spent more than half of your car again at least

When you are going for more power in an N/A you have to spend substantial money to achieve what are quite minimal gains, obviously the 2 things that will give you the best gains are your intake and exhaust but after that you will have to invest lots of time and money just to achieve the odd kW here or there

I'm guessing that you want to keep the car N/A but if you are after a showy car that is qucik down the quarter mile, i'd be thinking about turbo'ing the 6A12 and then adding a nice bodykit that allows you to show off your front mount intercooler

Oh and i haven't chosen all show and no go, i've done some of both and have more planned

G_A_V · Post by **G_A_V** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 8:01 am

RichardH wrote:
G_A_V wrote:A stock fto should get around 90-95kw @ the wheels (manual) with an auto around 5kw less. this should be good for around 15 sec passes, modified ftos with 110kw @ the wheels should be able to break 14.5 maybe low 14's Im guessing.
Mine achieved 111kw at the wheels on a 3rd gear dyno run, and ran repeatable 14.8-14.9 second quarter mile runs. Good quality r-comps, all sane removable stuff out of car, well-serviced vehicle (recent injector clean, valve clearance adjust, new plugs).

Hope this helps.

- Rich

Yeah it does, I was estimating. we Havent had a qtr mile night yet in nsw

hehehe I dont think there is much interest here for some reason

BuCkEt · Post by **BuCkEt** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 1:44 pm

I'm guessing that you want to keep the car N/A but if you are after a showy car that is qucik down the quarter mile, i'd be thinking about turbo'ing the 6A12 and then adding a nice bodykit that allows you to show off your front mount intercooler

Isn't that like SUPER expensive??

It's the fact that this car isn't exactly the most common car around that led me to buy mine.

I looked at WRX's, MR2's, R33's......took the FTO over all of them because it was the one I saw the least around town.

Besides, what's the point of having obscene amounts of power if you're not supposed to use it on the street....right?

Post by **smorison** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:10 pm

between 8-10k to do a turbo conversion....can keep going up as well depending on parts you choose and how much boost you want to run

to give you an idea on costs:

- Veilside Bodykit
full kit fitted / painted 2500-3000
- 18 Inch Mags. (What do u think would look good?)
depends on quality but 2500 up
- CAI Stage 2
500
- 2.5 Inch Exhaust
depends on how you do it 400 - 1500
- Electric water pump
1200
- Airbox and snorkel
(part of cai stage 2 kit)
- Whiteline Suspension
from 500 - 2900.00 - overrated in my opinion and they're not really interested in participating in "club stuff"

when you get into other mods...
VAFC 1100 by the time its tuned properly
real piggy back 1500 up
Throttle body 1000 approx
intake plennum 1000
cams not sure could be upto 3000

FTOluv · Post by **FTOluv** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 3:30 pm

$1100 to tune VAFC?????

VAFC retails for around $650 and approx $150 for tuning.
Total : $800

CSV · Post by **CSV** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 3:39 pm

'm looking to spend around $15000 but I will probably spend more. The fact is that I'm a P plater, and with this "No turbo no supercharger" crap coming in I wont be able to drive it! S I am looking for the most effective way to spend my money and have some decent performance gains.

CSV · Post by **CSV** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 3:42 pm

and i think smorison meant, $1100 for the VAFC and tuning...

CSV · Post by **CSV** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 3:46 pm

Oh and smorison, would it really cost 2500-3000 for the bodykit fitted and painted? Cause as fas as I know, the bodykit retails for 1600 if im not mistaken. thats a fair bit of money.

G_A_V · Post by **G_A_V** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 5:44 pm

I assume you are talking about the new nsw guidlines for P platers, I havent looked over it yet, I will this afternoon, but im pretty sure the goverment will be placing restrictions on power to weight ratios, not turbos or superchargers, in which case you would be stuffed with a stock fto anyways

G_A_V · Post by **G_A_V** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 5:59 pm

actually I stand corrected, here is an article from todays smh, they are looking at banning turbos, superchargers and v8s from p platers
how long you have left of your p plates ?

Ban on high-powered cars for P-platers
P-plate drivers will be banned from driving high-powered cars from next year in a NSW government crackdown on young drivers.
The ban, to be imposed in early 2005, will prevent P1 licence holders from driving high-performance vehicles such as eight-cylinder, turbo-charged and super-charged cars.
The ban would restrict young drivers from getting behind the wheel of popular models like the Subaru WRX, the Falcon XR8 and Holden Special Vehicles Club Sport.
NSW Roads Minister Carl Scully said P-plate drivers would be restricted to carrying one passenger only.
"I believe there is sufficient evidence to take a decision on this matter now," Mr Scully said in a statement.
"I have asked the RTA (Roads and Traffic Authority) to begin work on the necessary arrangements so the changes can be introduced in the first half of next year."
The changes, two of 11 proposals for young drivers made by the state government recently, would require major changes to licence registration processes and computer systems.
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Exemptions will apply for family and work responsibilities and cases of "hardship", the minister said.
Community consultation on the other nine proposals would continue until February[/u]

CSV · Post by **CSV** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 6:16 pm

Well I just turned 18, so I have another 2 years to go

But the good thing is that this new rule will not effect me

I do pity however, the p platers who own v8 commodores and things like that. I think I just chose the right car....very happy with my FTO.

BuCkEt · Post by **BuCkEt** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 6:35 pm

Sorry buddy - but I'm pretty sure FTO's would come in under that rule.

Supercharged or Not.

These restrictions have been debated time and time again so I'm not going to bother. It is merely a quickly formulated, knee jerk reaction.