P Plater Turbo Ban Lift

PHIL069 · Post by **PHIL069** » Wed May 23, 2012 5:16 pm

Taz wrote:wankers out there wanting to go fast

me me me me me

Sahin · Post by **Sahin** » Wed May 23, 2012 6:04 pm

Taz why are you complaining... You don't even have a license

Astron_Boy · Post by **Astron_Boy** » Wed May 23, 2012 7:30 pm

Sahin wrote:Taz why are you complaining... You don't even have a license

Speeding?

silverGPX · Post by **silverGPX** » Wed May 23, 2012 9:06 pm

LOOOOOOOOL

Sahin · Post by **Sahin** » Wed May 23, 2012 9:16 pm

phi-tec · Post by **phi-tec** » Wed May 23, 2012 9:48 pm

and taz theres a link (somewhere on redbook) stating which cars can be available... and the typical p plate wanted turbo cars such as nissan sr20dets are not avail, as mentioned its sh*tty small FACTORY turbo cars which dont even make as much power as a stock fto

Taz · Post by **Taz** » Wed May 23, 2012 11:10 pm

Yes but it would be easy to get more power out of the car - take dead weight out, bolt a bigger turbo on etc etc and from the outside the car is how it should be even with a big intercooler on the front..

Daniel2019 · Post by **Daniel2019** » Thu May 24, 2012 12:22 am

Taz wrote:I dont doubt that the INTENTION of these laws are not good and true but does anyone seriously think for a moment that P platers will look at these rules and fist pump that they can buy a sh*tty 1.3L holden cruze turbo or something similar?
It also leaves it wide open with regards to weight - what theyre going to dyno and weigh on the road or pop the car in round the corner to a weighbridge every car they suspect might be over?
All p platers are going to do is find these allowed turbo cars and tune them up to exploit this PMR crap.
Another good point is that p platers generally dont have tens of thousands of dollars to spend on a brand new low displacement turbo engine, let alone want to, so if people are going to buy those cars, then they have the money to do them up.
If cops already have a hard time determining whether a car has a turbo or not, then determining whether a car is tuned, is meant to have that turbo etc etc is going to be much harder a task (been asked numerous times, almost every time im pulled up if my car has a turbo, and if im sure after they have taken a look under the hood...)
Im sorry but i just dont see less restrictions, specially on something like such a broad and volatile as PWR and turbos a good thing.
Its just gonna be too easy to strip out unseen dead weight and do a couple of mods on a turbo car to exploit this - "but officer the plate is on the car it is legal" - are they REALLY going to check for absolutely everything on the car??
Enough rambling though, i think where i stand on this issue is clear.
Yes the Intention and for some it will be a sensible, welcomed lift on a what should be a silly restriction but there are just too many wankers out there wanting to go fast for it to be effective on a target audience

But that's like saying "my car is illegal brand new as it does 215kw but because its old its only putting out 190kw after doing 200,000km on the engine so its legal"

There is no way, at all, that these little cars with "boost" (if it even counts as that) will be able to put out more power than the maximum a P plater can drive right now. I highly doubt that a P plater is going to tune up a Golf 77TSI. Even if they did, theres no way that they'd be able to drop hundreds of kilos of weight for the car to be over the power to weight ratio, even with a tuned engine. Theyre simply gonna buy for example a Commodore S or something similar.. because it will still be quicker stock.

TL;DR - turbo doesnt always mean fast.

Taz · Post by **Taz** » Thu May 24, 2012 12:50 am

They are stating that any production car that rolls off the line with less than PWR will be legal provided it has that plate.
In saying this i reckon manufacturers are going to take advantage of this, and produce a few cars that are damn well near that figure to appeal to the p plate community - the cars that are going around now like that golf are not going to be the ONLY cars forever to be allowed.
It just doesnt make sense that they would turn on the fan for future sh*t to most likely get thrown into. That and the fact that the only real benefit it p platers being able to somehow afford brand new 2012+ models of cars which are crappy anyway.
All i can say is, watch time prove me right.

Daniel2019 · Post by **Daniel2019** » Thu May 24, 2012 1:09 am

Taz wrote:They are stating that any production car that rolls off the line with less than PWR will be legal provided it has that plate.
In saying this i reckon manufacturers are going to take advantage of this, and produce a few cars that are damn well near that figure to appeal to the p plate community - the cars that are going around now like that golf are not going to be the ONLY cars forever to be allowed.
It just doesnt make sense that they would turn on the fan for future sh*t to most likely get thrown into. That and the fact that the only real benefit it p platers being able to somehow afford brand new 2012+ models of cars which are crappy anyway.
All i can say is, watch time prove me right.

I understand what you're saying, however the power to weight ratio is going to be set so very modestly (one would hope

). I doubt there will be any turbo cars pushing any more than 120-140kw off the factory line, with forced induction, and if there is, THATS when we have an issue.

phi-tec · Post by **phi-tec** » Thu May 24, 2012 2:48 am

yeah but how many of the low numbers of p platers that will go towards these certain turbo cars 'such as a golf' will actually go through with changing turbos nd everything? not many, majority of the allowed vehicles will be p.o.s's anyway i see no big difference id be more worried about the p platers with the 200kw cars

Post by **Bennoz** » Thu May 24, 2012 7:52 am

silverGPX wrote:LOOOOOOOOL

This ^^^

Astron_Boy · Post by **Astron_Boy** » Thu May 24, 2012 9:40 am

phi-tec wrote:id be more worried about the p platers with the 200kw cars

Somehow this rings a certain kind of bell.

Daniel2019 · Post by **Daniel2019** » Thu May 24, 2012 11:16 am

Astron_Boy wrote:
phi-tec wrote:id be more worried about the p platers with the 200kw cars
Somehow this rings a certain kind of bell.

Meh, trees are decorated better with Commodore S' than little ford lasers.

Taz · Post by **Taz** » Thu May 24, 2012 11:32 am

Yes but manufacturers are more than likely going to want to profit off this and im sure somewhere down the line there will be some commodore of falcon or some f**king sh*tty car making just under the PWR limit on little bosst, then p platers are gonna come along and up that boost etc Its natures way. Guess we will all just have to wait and see what happens when you give a baby a set of keys (metaphorically speaking of course)

Daniel2019 · Post by **Daniel2019** » Thu May 24, 2012 11:38 am

Taz wrote:Yes but manufacturers are more than likely going to want to profit off this and im sure somewhere down the line there will be some commodore of falcon or some f**king sh*tty car making just under the PWR limit on little bosst, then p platers are gonna come along and up that boost etc Its natures way. Guess we will all just have to wait and see what happens when you give a baby a set of keys (metaphorically speaking of course)

What im saying is that the limit is (hopefully!) going to be set so low that even with tuning/mods etc. these cars still wont be pushing any more power than what is on the limit now. Even if theyre say 150kw with a bit of boost, it wont be possible (while remaining looking not blatantly illegal) to go above the maximum 200kw that is implemented now anyways. We arent going to see higher powered cars, just lower powered cars with some boost.

Post by **Bennoz** » Thu May 24, 2012 11:39 am

You're all assuming that all P platers mods their cars...

There are some normal ones out there ya know.

Daniel2019 · Post by **Daniel2019** » Thu May 24, 2012 11:40 am

Bennoz wrote:You're all assuming that all P platers mods their cars...

There are some normal ones out there ya know.

But a pod filter is a major modification! +20kw bro!

Astron_Boy · Post by **Astron_Boy** » Thu May 24, 2012 11:53 am

Imitation bucket seat seat covers, 50kws.
fluffy pink steering wheel cover, 25kws.
plastic imitation blue checker plate floor mats, 500kws

sh*t adds up... bro.

Daniel2019 · Post by **Daniel2019** » Thu May 24, 2012 12:00 pm

Fuzzy dice for the same effects as turbo

*Including vrrrrrrrr dhfgddhfgdhgfdhgfdhgfdddddtschhhh

FTO AUSTRALIA