Current fuel prices

Black_FTOGPX · Post by **Black_FTOGPX** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 12:50 pm

I on the odd occasion use premium (98 octane) with nullon pro-strength octane booster, to bring the octane rating up , and notice a good difference in power and throttle response, but itâ€™s a very expensive exercise.

$20 bucks of fuel and a $20 octane booster= $40 for half a tank of fuel

mxysxy · Post by **mxysxy** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 12:53 pm

What brand is that octane booster, is that really matter if I get it from KMart or Repco?
heeheheehehe
I was at the Kmart last night. hehhe found an Octane booster for 8box, scared to use it though

Black_FTOGPX · Post by **Black_FTOGPX** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 1:02 pm

Its called Nulon Pro Strength Octane Booster , I have seen lots of tests done and it always comes out on top. As one bottle can treat 60 litres.

This is the only one that is worth using ,in my opion.

Do a search on the net and you will find some tests on this.

mxysxy · Post by **mxysxy** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 1:08 pm

anyone using regular unleaded fuel with FTO?

ruchi · Post by **ruchi** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 1:23 pm

is there something you want to know about using regular unleaded in the FTO?

mxysxy · Post by **mxysxy** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 1:35 pm

Ruchi,
I know FTO designed to run with 100 octane Unleaded Petrol, however, as we have no access to this kind of luxury in Australia and our regular unleaded fuel is around 91-92 octanes, I am wondering if anybody is practising using regular unleaded in an FTO, so I can ask about the performance difference.
For example my question here is that, if the driver never pushes the engine hard (assuming never going over 4k rpm) is it safe to use regular unleaded in FTO

mxysxy · Post by **mxysxy** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 1:36 pm

BTW, is it possible covert FTO to run with gas, or anybody has done this?

ruchi · Post by **ruchi** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 1:48 pm

Regardless of whether you are pushing the FTO hard or not, you will not damage it by using 92RON fuel.

The FTO has various sensors that can detect how the engine is responding to the fuel being used and can adjust the timing of the engine to suit. You will not damage your engine but you will get less performance and as you will also get less kms/litre the economy will also be lower and will negate the price difference.

I have run all levels of fuel (92/95/98 RON) and different brands, personally the only thing I wouldn't do would be use 92RON or Optimax.

If you want to save a little, try the 95RON stuff that Caltex sell (can't remember the name off the top of my head), it will be cheaper than 98RON but the performance and economy decrease won't be as great as if you were using 92RON.

I don't know enough about gas, but it should be possible, but I don't know if the high compression ratio or high revs of the FTO will be a problem.

Boris · Post by **Boris** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 2:07 pm

mxysxy wrote:BTW, is it possible covert FTO to run with gas, or anybody has done this?

LOL, that's pretty funny...

I think if you do, you would definetly have no boot space!

mxysxy · Post by **mxysxy** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 2:14 pm

Not that I wanna do, but wondering, if anthing like this has done before.

ruchi · Post by **ruchi** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 2:44 pm

Gas is supposed to have an even higher RON (some where around 110 I think) so performance wise it could be interesting.

Boris · Post by **Boris** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 2:55 pm

I though it was that the performance would be around the same...

With Autogas there's no noticeable loss of power or performance in your car. A point we put to the ultimate test when we invited well-known racing car driver Jim Richards to compare the performance of a Commodore on both UNIGAS Autogas and petrol. Stepping out of the car after testing Jim said, "I certainly can't tell the difference!"

LPG provides more than 95% of the nationâ€™s alternative automotive fuel capacity, with over 450,000 Australian vehicles now running on LPG, available from over 3500 service stations nationwide.

Today LPG powers 98% of taxis throughout the country. Itâ€™s not surprising, considering it is so efficient and economical.

http://www.unigas.com.au/pages/benefits.html

But, again, it might matter what gas you actually use...

Post by **smorison** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 3:14 pm

someone in the uk did i'm sure......

akumi · Post by **akumi** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 4:13 pm

The weird thing is, i'm actually feeling more power with regular unlead than optimax hahaha weird huh? or maybe u have to reset your computer when u change fuel.

FTO338 · Post by **FTO338** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 4:48 pm

If you running straight gas (changing the your whole engine setup), then yes, it would be faster, if just a gas conversion, well then good luck if you can do 0-100 in 15sec.

Plus you might save on petrol in short run, but you have to do a major serive to the EFI every 2-3yrs, which cost around $2k. So unless you think you can save more then $2k on petrol before the service, then my advice to u is don't do it.

efteoh · Post by **efteoh** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 5:49 pm

if they want to charge a arm and a leg for petrol, the least they can do is bump up the ron rateing like japan,
then again their petrol prices is still a tad more than here

Black_FTOGPX · Post by **Black_FTOGPX** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 5:54 pm

You should try buying petrol in Germany, talk about really really really expensive, (and when I say expensive I mean expensive)

Boris · Post by **Boris** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 6:24 pm

akumi wrote:The weird thing is, i'm actually feeling more power with regular unlead than optimax hahaha weird huh? or maybe u have to reset your computer when u change fuel.

Ok, do a search there has been many threads about Optimax.

Basically my understanding is, optimax has tueline... therefore, after you car has run on Optimax for a few tanks it get's tueline build up. Therefore when you put normal ULP, the RON rating increases, and that's why probably you don't feel much.

And if you decide to change to another premium fuel, yes, then the rating will also slightly increase. However the milage for the first number of tanks will be crap, until the tueline goes away from your fuel system, so in your situation, after the tueline will go away, (lengh depends on how long you have been using optimax) then you will actuallu feel the difference between say Normal UL, and Ultimate for example...

I know that optimax is really cheap compared to the others, but still, with my car i get 50/60/ + km's more with Ultimate (98RON), or Vortex Gold (95RON), Best fuel for highways is Vortex Gold...

I'll stop now

ruchi · Post by **ruchi** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 6:33 pm

The Vortex Gold stuff was the 95RON fuel I was refering to above, but couldn't remember the name of.

It's probably the best low-mid range RON fuel you can use. If I can't find BP Ultimate of Mobil 8000 (both 98RON) I'll go for the Caltex Vortex Gold 95RON.

Black_FTOGPX · Post by **Black_FTOGPX** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 7:11 pm

Basically my understanding is, optimax has tueline

I did a post somewhere here yonks ago on a DIY octane booster using that. (do a search)