Force Flow Supercharger

Spiderman · Post by **Spiderman** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:15 pm

Hi guys how's going?

I saw this item in ebay last few weeks ago,i dono will it work on Fto or not? Should i try?

Is a Force Flow electric super charger,It the web it said it will add 4hp - 10hp% .

this is the webpage

http://www.force-flow.com/info_overview.aspx

will it work or not? it cost $350 -$550

Thank guys

bushido · Post by **bushido** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:19 pm

you wont know until you try it.

Post by **I8A4RE** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:36 pm

Mate there have been a million threads on this. do a search for electric supercharger.

At one stage there was even going to be a group buy to test it.

FTEvolution · Post by **FTEvolution** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:47 pm

The theory is sound at least, and with battery technology the way it is now, it may actually work. If you got the cash to spend, then have at it! Will be far cheaper and mroe reliable (and legal) than a full bottle of NOS in the boot. I would love to see some results mate

It was actually one of the things that I was interested when I had my old GPX...

Post by **Bennoz** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:52 pm

FTEvolution wrote:Will be far cheaper and mroe reliable (and legal) than a full bottle of NOS in the boot.

For 4 - 10hp? If I took a crap before leaving for work of a day, the weight saving would equate to more performance than that

+60awkws on the nos ftw!

FTEvolution · Post by **FTEvolution** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 2:26 pm

Bennoz wrote:
FTEvolution wrote:Will be far cheaper and mroe reliable (and legal) than a full bottle of NOS in the boot.
For 4 - 10hp? If I took a crap before leaving for work of a day, the weight saving would equate to more performance than that

+60awkws on the nos ftw!

Did I misread which product he was talking about? Isn't there a (supposed) 50 HP high output electric supercharger that is triggered like NOS? I am sure I saw it somewhere, claimed something like a sustained cool 6 psi charge or something...

Will teach me for skim reading

Damn you Ben, I am going to have to go and fuckin search for it now

Already had to change my bloody sig because of you today

Found the one I was thinking of, but I think I was duped with details

http://www.gizmag.com/electric-supercha ... oost/9364/

Anyone care to attempt to develop a KERS 'esque system for their FTO? Could be interesting

http://www.gizmag.com/formula-one-kers/11324/

And another http://www.electricsupercharger.net/index.php

With the way battery technology is progressing these days, these options are at least worth looking to, but they probably are bullshit

T: When did you start on your design?
TK: I built my first electric supercharger in 1978. I was working at Turbo Tech in Miami and used an Airesearch T11 airplane turbo combined with an automotive starter. I ground the turbine wheel blades off and fit a small multi-groove V-belt pulley on the shaft with some ball bearings. It worked great on my VW beetle. I mounted it where the back seat was and ran a duct through the firewall to the carb top. An extra car battery in series with the stock battery (24v) made 6 to 7 psi at low rpm, then tapered to 3.5 psi at high rpm. I threw V-belts every 30 seconds or so.

http://www.turbomagazine.com/tech/0406t ... index.html

If you think about it, the theory is sound, unfortunately, most of the kits people actually buy are the sh*t house ones that run off your battery. I find the real ones (even just the ones that are still concepts) intriguing.

If you can get a big enough capacitor, and dump enough current into it, these things may actually be possible (god knows it would be fuckin dangerous though). Developing some way (like the KERS system) to harness braking energy to charge the capacitor...

Anyone wanna try? Would not be sustainable for any long duration, but if you could get 15 seconds or so (plenty for a 1/4 mile run) of 8 psi down to 4 psi or so at high revs... <drools>

FTEvolution · Post by **FTEvolution** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 4:41 pm

No matter what else, I think this is worth some investigation by someone. If I had the cash (and a non turbo FTO) I would definitely look into it...

http://www.turbomagazine.com/tech/0406t ... index.html

Nissan Altima ESC Development Chronology
12-11-03
Our completely stock Nissan Altima four-cylinder outfitted with an automatic transmission jumped from 105 whp to 184 whp with the ESC-400 at only 5 psi boost.

T: What size engine will this work on?
TK: Testing has shown the smaller the engine, the higher the sustainable boost. If a 3.5-liter engine is running 24v, boost will peak at 10 psi at 2000 rpm and then drop off to 3 psi at 6500 rpm. A 1750cc engine would make 10 psi at 4000 rpm while dropping off to 3 psi at 13,000 rpm. The boost drop is linear, so that 1750cc engine would make 7-8 psi at redline, and launch at 15 psi using 24 volts. If a blow-off valve is used to bleed off excess pressure, a steady sustainable boost is possible until the capacity of the supercharger is reached. This means that a prepared 1.6-liter four-cylinder can run a sustained 15 psi at 36 volts to 6000 rpm.

Pros

â€¢ Belt-driven superchargers require the engine to power the unit. This parasitic loss can be substantial, especially at higher boost levels.
â€¢ Turbos are not free power, as some will claim. A turbo is a turbine-driven supercharger and to drive something requires horsepower. The turbine needs velocity, volume, heat and pressure to operate. The first three won't make any boost. It's pressure that makes boost. The first three help with greater efficiency. The pressure in a turbo is measured by the difference in intake manifold pressure and exhaust manifold pressure. This is referred to as the exhaust-to-intake pressure ratio. Most turbos operate at a 2:1-to-3:1 ratio, meaning that if 10 psi is in the intake manifold, the exhaust manifold will see 20 to 30 psi. (The GN operated on a 2.5:1 ratio and the 300ZXTT had a 2.7:1 ratio). Some racecars make PR better than 1:1, but they're still making backpressure. Backpressure is a restriction, and a restriction is not free power.

Cons

â€¢ Battery technology and weight are the classic detractors. However, battery technology has advanced significantly in recent years and the lightweight batteries that are available already will become lighter as the technology evolves.
â€¢ The system lacks an electronic boost control strategy. This will be available soon.
â€¢ Low-output alternators, which can't recharge the batteries quickly enough, can limit ESC running time.
â€¢ Wiring must be properly installed. This is key in the overall performance of the unit.

Spiderman · Post by **Spiderman** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:18 pm

Well .... Last week i did dyno run on my Fto ... Is a normal 2.0L v6 engine,Automatic It done up too 85.05kw nothing is done in that car i just change the exhaust tip !!!

I'm going to try this supercharger stuff next 2 or 3 weeks and agian after installion i will do a dyno run agian i will post the result !!!

Post by **I8A4RE** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:30 pm

here we go again

Post by **Bennoz** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:34 pm

And I'll say what I say everytime this topic comes up. If it was a viable option, every manufacturer in the world would be using them.

FTEvolution · Post by **FTEvolution** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 10:01 am

Bennoz wrote:

And I'll say what I say everytime this topic comes up. If it was a viable option, every manufacturer in the world would be using them.

Nah! Who says you know what you are talking about

Kidding of course and I hear ya mate, all I am saying is that the theory is sound. Worth looking into at least for someone. It is the current that needs to be sorted out to make it viable.

nicholas · Post by **nicholas** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 1:40 pm

This izz a great technologies!!!!! :->>

I think we shouldz all goes buy some electrical super-charger!! lolz lolz.

with doez extra HPs through our weels (all 4 wheels after i do my AWD convershion), we can show them honda fanboiz who is the boss. like 11 seconds passes and sh*t hey lozl.

mivec for lifes!!11!1

FTEvolution · Post by **FTEvolution** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 1:59 pm

nicholas wrote:This izz a great technologies!!!!! :->>

I think we shouldz all goes buy some electrical super-charger!! lolz lolz.

with doez extra HPs through our weels (all 4 wheels after i do my AWD convershion), we can show them honda fanboiz who is the boss. like 11 seconds passes and sh*t hey lozl.

mivec for lifes!!11!1

Post by **Bennoz** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 2:20 pm

Astron_Boy · Post by **Astron_Boy** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 4:40 pm

If someone wants to buy me one, I can put this thing to rest
I will strap it to my Magna sedan, and if that thing manages to get any gain, then we can all do a HOOG group buy,
Make a group calling ourselves the Blow Jobs, and make FTO freakin history.

seriously though, just gimme one and I'll prove there as fun as dragging your nuts on the ground.