New Demerit Point Scheme?

Astron_Boy · Post by **Astron_Boy** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:38 pm

I had a long answer, but deleted.

Liscences are priveledges, not rights.

I've said all I need to.

Devilzdealer · Post by **Devilzdealer** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:11 pm

MAD-FTO wrote:I had a long answer, but deleted.

Liscences are priveledges, not rights.

I've said all I need to.

yes you have, it does not matter if its a privledge or a right, the rules should be the same... if your a p plater speeding or an open driver speeding its the same offence so if its a privledge, then your forfeiting your rights to the privledge no matter what type of lisence you have... same points for the same offence....

sublime19 · Post by **sublime19** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:29 pm

"Should be, would be, could be" all you want.. but it isn't I'm afraid.

So make the most of it and don't give anybody the reason to deduct 4 points from you.

Also on the inexperienced driver comment on the last page, I'm sure by the time you're on your greens, you know how to control your speed (Actually you learn this on your Ls).

J · Post by J » Thu Mar 05, 2009 2:49 am

hufff okay.......

May seem unfair to most, but if i were crossing a road, i wouldnt give a fuk how many points you'd lose when your coming around a corner 10kms faster than you should, heading towards me.

Experience is right > obviously like they've said green p platers are not following the rules.... And this is their way of combating this. So untill the studies show improvement, dont expect major changes.

Im a p1 going p2 in a month.... And its fair game, play by the rules and you wont get booked.

This is exactly what happened with the p plate car restrictions, we can bitch all we want but the law is the law.

nikhan · Post by **nikhan** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 3:31 am

I don't understand what is the big hoo haa about it...as long as u done speed, u done lose your points. Simple as that. The speed limit is there as a limit and thats the max u should go. Why should u drive exactly at the limit and not lower. It wun kill you to drive a little slower. It may seem unfair to some of the younger drivers but take a good look when you are driving on the streets. How many of them are P platers who just got their commonwhores and want to start showing off who has the fastest ride. I agree with Simon that driving is a skill that really needs experience. Laws are here to protect ppl no matter how unfair it is to the minority...when you get into an accident and kill someone it will be too late to say sh*t..i f*ucked up.

oodLes · Post by **oodLes** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 7:15 am

How many times do you guys come off a freeway up to a set of lights going from 110 to 60. Nearly every day on the way to work? Do you always slow to to the speedlimit before you hit the sign? If not, you're hypocrits. You do the speedlimit. Everywhere. Look at poor subbie, hes the slowest fto driver I know and he lost his freakin lisence. If you don't think the safest of drivers can still lose their lisence under this scheme somethings wrong with you.

PS: Don't start getting all heated over this, I'm not a P plater anymore and thus don't care. Much like the general populous which makes the P platers rage as nobody cares except them.

Post by **I8A4RE** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:29 am

oodLes wrote:How many times do you guys come off a freeway up to a set of lights going from 110 to 60. Nearly every day on the way to work? Do you always slow to to the speedlimit before you hit the sign? If not, you're hypocrits.

Of course we dont but how does that make us hypocrits?

What this law is saying is.... Right if you speed we will give "x" amount of points and a fine, but we will also take into consideration your experience so if your not a "p" plater you wont get as many. I really just dont understand who you guys cant see this is a good idea, do you not watch the news or read the paper? These young people are killing themselves left right and centre and usually with a car load of people with them.

Now probably the most important reason they are doing this, is becuase "p" platers dont have as much money as older people working full time (generally speaking of course). So they want the more seasoned drivers to be on the road longer so they can fine them more........ Its all about the revenue

You do the speedlimit. Everywhere. Look at poor subbie, hes the slowest fto driver I know and he lost his freakin lisence. If you don't think the safest of drivers can still lose their lisence under this scheme somethings wrong with you.

Astron_Boy · Post by **Astron_Boy** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:19 am

oodLes wrote:Look at poor subbie, hes the slowest fto driver I know

Doensn't he have the age to match though
It's okay gramps, won't hold it against you.

sublime19 · Post by **sublime19** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 10:49 am

Hahaha I just turned 24 a week ago you knobs! Well at least people stopped saying I'm 19

Simon what he means by the hypocrite thing is that if you don't go 60 straight away as soon as you hit the sign off the freeway/motorway then you're speeding, making you a hypocrite by saying other people deserve to be booked if they speed etc).
And on that I'd like to say that I believe there's a 200 meter area where you can't get booked after the speed limit change to give drivers time to slow down isn't there?

Not sure if it's exactly 200 meters but there's a certain distance you have where you legally can't get booked for speeding if the speed limit changed from X to Y.

Look at poor subbie, hes the slowest fto driver I know and he lost his freakin lisence.

AYE It's "careful" driver, not slow lol. I'm not the guy who sits in the left lane doing 10 km's under the limit everywhere lol.

Yea oodLes I completely agree with your comment about even the safest of drivers being caught speeding - The way I lost it was very unfair but out of the 100% of people who lost their license, at least 80% of them would have lost it because they were doing the wrong thing. It's sad that it traps people who don't deserve to lose their license but
as long as the vast majority of hoons caught outweight the remaining minority, I can't see many people wanting to change anything.

Post by **I8A4RE** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 11:26 am

sublime19 wrote:Simon what he means by the hypocrite thing is that if you don't go 60 straight away as soon as you hit the sign off the freeway/motorway then you're speeding, making you a hypocrite by saying other people deserve to be booked if they speed etc).

I dont think anyone has said that.

sublime19 · Post by **sublime19** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 11:36 am

I8A4RE wrote:
sublime19 wrote:Simon what he means by the hypocrite thing is that if you don't go 60 straight away as soon as you hit the sign off the freeway/motorway then you're speeding, making you a hypocrite by saying other people deserve to be booked if they speed etc).
I dont think anyone has said that.

I know, I explained it slowly for you so you could understand

harry90 · Post by **harry90** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 11:54 am

The only reason there are a lot more fatalities for p platers is not because we think we are bulletproof, its because we are on our p's for 3 YEARS. Obviously there will be people who have accidents in that time, but the fact is say 10 years ago, you only had to have your p's for 1 year (or whatever it was) which is considerably lower then now, so obvioulsy the stats which are made about p platers having more accidents is bullsh!t cos its based on how many p platers had accidents in earlier years, and since you have to have you p's longer and a lot more drivers, there is bound to be a lot more accidents.

Post by **I8A4RE** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:26 pm

harry90 wrote:The only reason there are a lot more fatalities for p platers is not because we think we are bulletproof, its because we are on our p's for 3 YEARS. Obviously there will be people who have accidents in that time, but the fact is say 10 years ago, you only had to have your p's for 1 year (or whatever it was) which is considerably lower then now, so obvioulsy the stats which are made about p platers having more accidents is bullsh!t cos its based on how many p platers had accidents in earlier years, and since you have to have you p's longer and a lot more drivers, there is bound to be a lot more accidents.

*facepalm* When doing stats they look at age groups not "p" platers vs non "p"platers......

Astron_Boy · Post by **Astron_Boy** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:29 pm

harry90 wrote:The only reason there are a lot more fatalities for p platers is not because we think we are bulletproof, its because we are on our p's for 3 YEARS. Obviously there will be people who have accidents in that time, but the fact is say 10 years ago, you only had to have your p's for 1 year (or whatever it was) which is considerably lower then now, so obvioulsy the stats which are made about p platers having more accidents is bullsh!t cos its based on how many p platers had accidents in earlier years, and since you have to have you p's longer and a lot more drivers, there is bound to be a lot more accidents.

you do realise the 3yr P has been in place for almost a decade.
I'm sure there is enough stats there.

Not on that, but the studies aren't based on the liscnece type, but the age of the driver, typicall P plate drivers are under the age of 25.
Hence also why insurance is cheaper for 25s and over as they have been on the road driving unassisted for 8yrs or more.

Okay, I have the solution!
What I'm reading is people who have Ps think it is unfair that they will get there liscence banned if they are caught doing excessive speed, and us full liscencers will get points and a fine.

Well, here's what you do.

Wait until your on your Fulls, hit the highway doing 200K plus.
Lose your liscence for 6months or more with a dirty big fine, and feel happy that you had your liscence for 3yrs prior...

Doesnt make sense does it?
No matter where you speed there are consequences, and what has been instated has obviously been reviewed time and time again to ensure the safety and well being of all those that use the road.

harry90 · Post by **harry90** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:31 pm

I think its fair to say that over 95% of people under 21 are p platers, therefor you can assume it is p platers vs non p platers.
No one cares about non p platers aged 21-30 because even if they did have an accident and kill someone there would NOT be that much hype because under the law that person is considered a good driver and the media doesnt make a huge point about it. Wheras when its a p plater its considered a big deal, WHY? Only because they are a 'provisional' driver.

harry90 · Post by **harry90** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:09 pm

MAD-FTO wrote:
harry90 wrote:The only reason there are a lot more fatalities for p platers is not because we think we are bulletproof, its because we are on our p's for 3 YEARS. Obviously there will be people who have accidents in that time, but the fact is say 10 years ago, you only had to have your p's for 1 year (or whatever it was) which is considerably lower then now, so obvioulsy the stats which are made about p platers having more accidents is bullsh!t cos its based on how many p platers had accidents in earlier years, and since you have to have you p's longer and a lot more drivers, there is bound to be a lot more accidents.
you do realise the 3yr P has been in place for almost a decade.
I'm sure there is enough stats there.

Not on that, but the studies aren't based on the liscnece type, but the age of the driver, typicall P plate drivers are under the age of 25.
Hence also why insurance is cheaper for 25s and over as they have been on the road driving unassisted for 8yrs or more.

Okay, I have the solution!
What I'm reading is people who have Ps think it is unfair that they will get there liscence banned if they are caught doing excessive speed, and us full liscencers will get points and a fine.

Well, here's what you do.

Wait until your on your Fulls, hit the highway doing 200K plus.
Lose your liscence for 6months or more with a dirty big fine, and feel happy that you had your liscence for 3yrs prior...

Doesnt make sense does it?
No matter where you speed there are consequences, and what has been instated has obviously been reviewed time and time again to ensure the safety and well being of all those that use the road.

Dude, im not saying i wanna speed and not get caught for it. What im saying is the law is unfair in this. Just because you are older doesnt mean your not gonna be an idiot on the street. Im sure there have been people not on the p's who have been done for excessive speeding, but nothing has been made about it in the media because the people are not provisional drivers. But if it where a provisional who was caught then it would be all over the media and all hell would break loose trying to show how stupid that teen was.

The law should be applied as equal and the punishment should fit the crime, which obviously in this case it does not.

In the end its unfair to think that just because you are NOT on your p's you can get away with speeding, but if you are on your p's you face loss of license for the very same offence.

sublime19 · Post by **sublime19** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:26 pm

harry90 wrote:Just because you are older doesnt mean your not gonna be an idiot on the street.

Yes, but you're much much much more likely to be an idiot on the street if you're younger than the older drivers.

This is just going round in circles. This has gone way off the intended purpose of this thread, about time people started to agree to disagree

nicholas · Post by **nicholas** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:28 pm

harry90 wrote: In the end its unfair to think that just because you are NOT on your p's you can get away with speeding, but if you are on your p's you face loss of license for the very same offence.

Well put mate; I think therein lies the crux of the matter.

Post by **I8A4RE** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 2:51 pm

nicholas wrote:
harry90 wrote: In the end its unfair to think that just because you are NOT on your p's you can get away with speeding, but if you are on your p's you face loss of license for the very same offence.
Well put mate; I think therein lies the crux of the matter.

1) Lifes unfair....get over it.
2)

to think that just because you are NOT on your p's you can get away with speeding,

FFS no is thinking that they can get away with it. "Quote" one persons comment who you believe think that!!

everybody is fined and cops a loss of points, its just more severe if you have little experience If you wanna have a cry about call mummy

Astron_Boy · Post by **Astron_Boy** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 3:00 pm

You're not going to understand the situation as long as you are the one under scruitiny.
Everything is unfair when you're a child, and yet when those children reach parent hood, they are enforcing the same rules what they once thought to be unfair.

Unless your one of those 'adults' who don't actually 'parent' their children.

This topic will just keep circling.

Group hug and hersheys kisses everyone