so, CF bonnet is illegal?

tadasu · Post by **tadasu** » Sun May 06, 2007 7:57 pm

as topic...

and normally how much is it?

Post by **dstocks** » Sun May 06, 2007 8:34 pm

Actually, from what I heard the other day (from someone who helped write the legislation), maybe not. From a compliance perspective, post 96 FTOs require crash test data to be complied. This means that CF bonnets are definitely out (unless you can provide crash test data for it). This is due to the fact that they are part of the crumple zone. Having said that 94/95 FTO's do NOT require crash test data in order to be complied (herefore the bonnets theoretically are not illegal for those).

I am not sure if there are specific state rules that override the compliance rules, but from a straight compliance perspective, thats the story......

khunjeng · Post by **khunjeng** » Sun May 06, 2007 8:55 pm

doesnt meet ADRs

therefore it is not legal.

Post by **dstocks** » Sun May 06, 2007 9:38 pm

Wrong!.

For a 94/95, there are no rules that relate to crash test data. This is what makes them illegal for compliance reasons. therefore they are not illegal FROM AN ADR perspective. A friend of mine consults on this stuff Australia wide (and used to work in the section that develops the policy), so if anybody knows, he does.

This of course does not rule out specific state legislation relating to carbon fibre bonnets in general......

What you said is true for 96-2000 though. Because crash test data is required, the only way a Carbon fibre bonnet would be legal is if some FTO's were crashed with them fitted - to prove they meet the requirements - and as this is a very costly process, that is unlikely to occur.

khunjeng · Post by **khunjeng** » Sun May 06, 2007 10:02 pm

lol if you think so.

jonowong · Post by **jonowong** » Sun May 06, 2007 10:11 pm

khunjeng wrote:lol if you think so.

chekky bastard

khunjeng · Post by **khunjeng** » Sun May 06, 2007 10:18 pm

jonowong wrote:
khunjeng wrote:lol if you think so.
chekky bastard

he's probably right. But tell that to the defect squad. Just get a ADR approved bonnet and not only be safe but make sure there is no issue with your claim in case of an accident.

Heaps of people have been defected for CF bonnets for cars made before 96.

Post by **dstocks** » Sun May 06, 2007 10:30 pm

But tell that to the defect squad.

I cant argue with that unfortunately

. Even if it is legal, that will not stop them writing you up and making you jump through hoops to prove what they should be aware of in the first place. And in my opinion, thats a little too much of a hassle to have to deal with.

Heaps of people have been defected for CF bonnets for cars made before 96.

True, but the ADR's vary from car to car as far as what is needed. Some may very well be illegal and some may not.

Maybe if you got something in writing and kept it in the car just in case......

BTW, thats what the FTO was discontinued for (from what ive read). Japan bought out legislation requiring side airbags (or some safety requirement relating to side intrusion) and it was going to be too much trouble to modify the FTO to comply - so no more FTO after 2000

khunjeng · Post by **khunjeng** » Sun May 06, 2007 10:37 pm

dstocks wrote:
But tell that to the defect squad.
I cant argue with that unfortunately . Even if it is legal, that will not stop them writing you up and making you jump through hoops to prove what they should be aware of in the first place. And in my opinion, thats a little too much of a hassle to have to deal with.

Maybe if you got something in writing and kept it in the car just in case......

most of the rules are regarding deviation form stock.

I think the date was "On or after 1995" accouring to all the ADR docs I have read this is common.

I know many people who have been defected for this for all types of cars. Its generally accepted that CF does not meet ADR (whio is DOESNT) and thus is illegal. Maybe it is ok before 95 however your pushing sh*t up a steep hill as its def. NOT ADR approved and not a stock item - which makes sense why when you comply your car its not accepted.

Having said all of this, many ppl I know have and use one and simply revert to the stock when required.

Many others like me dont like to attract attention for other reasons.

Post by **dstocks** » Sun May 06, 2007 10:49 pm

Unfortunately, in reality this is pretty good advice. It doesnt matter if it is legal or not, because in the eyes of the people that count, it is not acceptable.

Post by **Bennoz** » Mon May 07, 2007 12:03 am

tadasu wrote:as topic...

and normally how much is it?

In all honesty tadsu, no one can really give you a definite answer. dstocks does have a valid response as far as compliance goes, but you have to contend with the individual state laws as well. Most of the states align with the ADR regulations (mentioned by Khunjeng) but it does differ. I would check with your local state authorities.... most of them have that sort of information available on the net - as that is what your local police are going to be working with as well

Rocco · Post by **Rocco** » Mon May 07, 2007 12:19 am

can u insure your car with a cf bonnet?

Post by **kazbah** » Mon May 07, 2007 12:38 am

Maybe a simple answer but before you do anything ask your insurance company

khunjeng · Post by **khunjeng** » Wed May 09, 2007 9:58 pm

here is an answer I go back from some research on another topic:

Carbon Fibre Bonnet : If your car is PRE 1995 then a carbon fibre IS legal....BUT it must have been made by an australian APPROVED manufacturer or a manufacturer that has been certified. THE ADR THAT APPLIES TO THIS IS ADR 69 (full frontal impact occupant protection) There is also another.....I think it is 73 but not 100% on that. ADR 69 is the important one.

Post by **dstocks** » Wed May 09, 2007 10:14 pm

See, I told you so......

khunjeng · Post by **khunjeng** » Wed May 09, 2007 10:35 pm

dstocks wrote:See, I told you so......

and so did I mate. ADR approved and no aftermarket CF bonnet I have seen is - so illegal!

Post by **BorepYano** » Wed May 09, 2007 11:03 pm

australian APPROVED manufacturer or a manufacturer that has been certified

and who would these ppl be?

oh and as far as price, i think sam paid around 1300$ for his

khunjeng · Post by **khunjeng** » Wed May 09, 2007 11:07 pm

BorepYano wrote:
australian APPROVED manufacturer or a manufacturer that has been certified
and who would these ppl be?

oh and as far as price, i think sam paid around 1300$ for his

I have not heard of any aftermarket ADR approved CF bonnets.

anyway who cares

Buy it and if they defect u just change it back!

Post by **dstocks** » Wed May 09, 2007 11:07 pm

Thats a fair call. Interesting though that it says only the manufaturer has to be approved and not necessarily the bonnet. I know that its possible to get ones that are legal for certain other cars (EVO's are one from memory but I could be wrong). If you did a bit of searching you might be able to find an approved Manufacturer......

khunjeng · Post by **khunjeng** » Wed May 09, 2007 11:28 pm

dstocks wrote:Thats a fair call. Interesting though that it says only the manufaturer has to be approved and not necessarily the bonnet. I know that its possible to get ones that are legal for certain other cars (EVO's are one from memory but I could be wrong). If you did a bit of searching you might be able to find an approved Manufacturer......

personally I wouldnt bother. If you want it buy one.

The question was if it is legal - seems we have a good idea about that now.

If the CF bonnet was an option or std then there is no issue.

As I said, if u want one, get it and use it. As said I would want to make sure my Insurance company was ok with it - JustCars will be from my expereince.

You can get Fibregalss ones that ARE ADR approved. so maybe thats a better option.

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