FTO AUSTRALIA

The TWG will begin to put together information that answers many of the frequently asked questions about the FTO.

Much of this information is already on this forum, either buried in messages or in the FTO Information area. By consolidating it into the one area we hope to make it easier for people to find the information they are after.

So where do you want this information? Would you prefer it to be in its own section within the forum or as a seperate section on this website in a similar manner to the FTO Information link?

Personally I think it makes more sense to have a dedicated section in the forum as this way people can post a message if they have a question or something additional to add and likewise if they do a search on the forum, not only will they find the FAQ relating to the topic but also other messages that could provide them with additional information.

What are your thoughts?

i agree with a separate section with frequently asked questions as long as u stop saying 'use the search function'!

You'll be able to say "go read the Tech FAQ section" instead

I think it's own section on the forum.

Then once a new frequent question has been asked and answered, moderators can move that post into that section... on a regular basis...

Also, i think, another suggestion, would be to update the DIY section. Because there are lot's of guides / instructions. That haven't been put in there. Because atm, the DIY sections doesn't have much stuff apart from ruchi's stuff... funny that...

Now I think there would be no point to neither of the above, if it doesn't get updated, and new contents doesn't get searched for from the other sections.

My 2 cents.

Boris wrote:Also, i think, another suggestion, would be to update the DIY section. Because there are lot's of guides / instructions. That haven't been put in there. Because atm, the DIY sections doesn't have much stuff apart from ruchi's stuff... funny that...

Like you, Kevin (FTO338) also posted similar remarks implying that there was some impropriety, but in reality I don't have the ability to transfer messages into the DIY section, so the ones you see in there were transfered by Steve, not me.

The reason there are only my DIY guides in the DIY section is because these are the only ones Steve could find. While there is certainly lots of little bits of information on how to do various things, most of them are just short messages and not complete guides.

If you are able to find some guides on this forum, please post the link in the same thread that Kevin started, then we can get Steve to transfer them into the DIY section.

http://www.ftoaustralia.com/modules.php ... pic&t=3336

It would be nice to see more people creating guides when they do sometihng and then contributing it to the forum so others could beenfit. I do understand however that this then involves a lot more work and not everyone is prepared to do that.

Hey Ruchi! Can you please explain why did you use these two words, REMARKS & IMPLYING, cause all i did was asking a genuie question, & i stated the facts as other members can see that too.

If I did the same thing to you, you would start to wige to the committee like a 2yrs old & call it personal attack, so i think is only fair if you can explain yourself.

ruchi wrote:It would be nice to see more people creating guides when they do sometihng and then contributing it to the forum so others could beenfit. I do understand however that this then involves a lot more work and not everyone is prepared to do that.

Maybe, just a sugestion. People would create their own guides, if they would be visible & accessable to everyone, and not get dug under 100 threads. So the people that put say a lot of time in writing, researching, experimenting and so on post the guide, 7 days later, there is no trace of the guide. No one even knows it exists, apart from the creator. So you have to ask " What's the point of the creator posting it up? "...

My belief, is that the DIY section should be open to the public to post their guides, instead of being a lock down only for moderators.

I think by having an open section for guides will get more people making them. Maybe even make a news statement, saying that if you think you wrote some usefull information / guide please post in this section...

It is also my strong belief, that it is easier to delete a post, then to wait for Steve to find it, and move it.

Oh, btw, we are all here mature ppl, so I don't understand why the DIY section is locked anyway, are you afraid of crap DIY articles? I don't see why we need an admin to add it to the "official DIY" area... i really don't get it. Can someone please open my eyes 4 me?

That again, brings up a point I made from recent debate, that you can't expect Steve to do everything. Even if you put it in a thread, like the one you mentioned ruchi, it will still get dug down, and I almost gurantee you that one or two things will be missed, and people would not even know about that thread.

I'm here to help, so are lot's of others, to make this a slightly more organized and better place...

Well, I atleast put it in the open. I hope this atleast get's discussed at the commitee meetings...

Now please, I extremely pray that this thread doesn't get out of control. I'm not criticising anyone, or anything. I'm simply making public suggestions. I'm sorry for going off topic...

Peace.

id like to see both DIY section and also a FAQ under the main menu...

Putting a FAQ in a forum is bad web design. The reason for the FAQ section is to seperate topics that have already been discussed to death, and by putting this in an area for people to discuss more is a waste of time.
I think what this site really needs is a seperate Tech area, where it would contain the FAQ. Fto Information, and DIY Guides.
This would collaborate all our knowledge of ftos in one easy to navigate section.
Think of the types of audience of this site. Most require help on things which have already been solved, and i would say a lot of people would be too lazy or worried about then signing up to the club just to post one message.
By taking all the FAQs away from the forum it leaves room for us to discuss important up to date topics like mikeys drinking habbits

Also by jsut copying Faqs in to its own section does not make it easy for the end user. The FAQs should be read, reworded and solved ina few lines.
As for guides. I was thinking about this a lot too.
I thought that a guide Template (MS Office and Open Office) should be made, for all users to be able to write their own guides which then can be emailed to the commitee and exported as a pdf, for users to download.
Guides could be seperated in 2 sections too, Maintenance and Modification

Firstly, the way the sections on this forum have been setup, and who has access to them, is controlled by Steve and the committee. As I'm not part of the committee I don't have any control over this. But I do have some good news for any critics, and that is that once the club is officially launched, you have the ability to nominate yourself for the role of club president. If you get voted in by the members, you'll be able to determine the policy for all this, as well as doing all the other tasks that Steve does for us voluntarily.

Secondly, Boris and Kevin what guides are you refering to when you say "lots of guides" and "all the other ones"? Despite requests, neither of you have posted any links to them. I'm aware of people linking to guides from other websites and also being helpful and posting up snippets of information, but I don't recall any other DIY Guides being put together. Please help us by posting links to them so that we can integrate them into the DIY area. Any help you can offer will be greatly appreciated. Please post the link in the thread Kevin started: http://www.ftoaustralia.com/modules.php ... pic&t=3875

FTO338 wrote:Hey Ruchi! Can you please explain why did you use these two words, REMARKS & IMPLYING

Because they seemed like the most appropriate words to use. These terms are fairly innocuous but if you've got a problem with them PM me so we can discuss it. In terms of refering to me as a 2 year old, this serves no purpose other than to sh*t stir and that sort of behaviour doesn't benefit this discussion or the club.
According to Dictionary.com:
Remarks = "To express briefly and casually as a comment"
Imply = "To express or indicate indirectly"

Boris wrote:People would create their own guides, if they would be visible & accessable to everyone, and not get dug under 100 threads.

Generally if someone creates a guide or a thread with detailed instructions or information, normally the moderators of this forum mark the message as a sticky, to avoid the exact situation you're talking about.

Boris wrote:It is also my strong belief, that it is easier to delete a post, then to wait for Steve to find it, and move it.

huh? To quote Pauline Hanson, "please explain" what you mean by this.

Boris wrote:My belief, is that the DIY section should be open to the public to post their guides, instead of being a lock down only for moderators... I don't understand why the DIY section is locked anyway, are you afraid of crap DIY articles?

1. Legal reasons
2. Branding reasons
3. Quality control and usability reasons

Gaven is on the right track when he talks about templates and PDF documents. Some templates have already been designed which will allow these guides to be released with the club branding and with a similar look and feel so they are easy to recognise, follow and understand. Likewise, as the club is a legal entity, anything it produces needs to be legally correct in terms of the information it offers and in terms of disclaimers. This can only be done when it is vetted by the club before going public.

G_A_V wrote:The reason for the FAQ section is to seperate topics that have already been discussed to death, and by putting this in an area for people to discuss more is a waste of time.
I think what this site really needs is a seperate Tech area, where it would contain the FAQ. Fto Information, and DIY Guides.
This would collaborate all our knowledge of ftos in one easy to navigate section.

This is exactly what the TWG & DIY area is. It is a seperate area where the information from the forum and knowledge of our members is centralised so it is easy to find. Any questions or comments posted in this section would be answered or integrated into the FAQ or guide. The message would then be deleted so that this section remains uncluttered, leaving just the updated FAQ or guide behind. If people wanted to discuss these things at length they would do so in the other areas of the forum as they do now.

Personally I think the biggest reason people don't contribute guides is because other clubs already have a lot of these guides in place and because of all the extra work involved in putting a guide together vs. simply providing a snippet of information. But hopefully we can overcome some of these issues and get more information flowing.

PHEW! It's been a while since I've written one that long!

ruchi wrote:In terms of refering to me as a 2 year old, this serves no purpose other than to sh*t stir and that sort of behaviour doesn't benefit this discussion or the club.

Ruchi so is ok for you to use my name & make fun out of it letter by letter? Lots of members had read it even though you erase it? & that is for the "benefit of the club"??? Don't tell me you didn't PM & send email to the committee to complaint about me, you not the only one that knows how to play politics in this forum.

Let not forget you criticize the club the most out of any other members as mikey had pointed out before, even though the post had be deleted. Funny how all the post that goes against you will just disappear??? Why bother deleted them for? Lots of member are aware those kind of posts had been deleted after they read it on the forum, & don't worry I always keep a copy of those interested post. (You call this Freedom of speech ?????)

Why bother for putting up this poll for at the first place? You don't even want to hear what other members got to say, as soon as anyone have a different idea or opinion to you, you will criticize it & call it "not for the benefit of the club", if you don't want members' inputs or opinions, then don't bother try to play politics, & be "Mr Nice Guy that knows it all"

Remember there won't be a club, if there’s no members' support, & if you keep criticizing others, while is ok for you to do it yourself, then members will either leave or won't post/give any input, which already had happen.

Let me use some of the famous quote as you did

Darren Hitch "SHAME SHAME SHAME"

Clint Eastwood "YOU JUST A LEGEND IN YOUR OWN MIND"

Clint Eastwood "The fact that the less secure a man is, the more likely he is to have extreme prejudice."

Last by not least here’s what I found on Encyclopedia Britannica 2004

Remarks: mention of that which deserves attention or notice

Implying : to involve or indicate by inference (the act of passing from one proposition, statement, or judgment considered as true to another whose truth is believed to follow from that of the former)

As mentioned in other posts, by questioning techniques on how maintenance and modifications are undertaken not only new ideas can be formed and discussed but it will also keep the forums active.
Lately these forums have been quite dead becuz people are afraid to ask something before getting flamed with Ruchi's infamous words of 'USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION'!

btw Ruchi, its funny how u talk tough on forums and not in person

Aha, now I understand why you have such hostility towards me, however I can honestly say that many of the things you say are incorrect and perhaps when you know the truth you'll quell the anger you have towards me.

FTO338 wrote:so is ok for you to use my name & make fun out of it letter by letter?

Wow, I didn't realise this was still an issue. This happened about 10 months ago, it was done in jest and in the same spirit as the comments you would make towards me. I had no intention of offending you and when you said you were I immediately removed it.

I thought that many of these issues that occured quite a long time ago were dead and buried and that we had moved on in a more positive and mature manner. If you have any other unresolved issues please PM me so we can discuss them and rectify things.

FTO338 wrote:Don't tell me you didn't PM & send email to the committee to complaint about me

Where are these ideas coming from? I can positively state that I have never PMed or emailed the committee to complain about you. In fact quite the reverse. The committee came to me asking for recommendations and information about various people in VIC for the Co-ordinator role after Mikey quit, if you ask any of the committee members they will tell you that I only spoke positively of you and gave you more praise and positive comments than anyone else, I gave you a most "glowing report".

FTO338 wrote:Funny how all the post that goes against you will just disappear??? Why bother deleted them for?

I find these conspiracy theories most amusing, but in truth I don't have the permissions or ability to be able to do this. The only thing I can do is move messages around within the Technical Corner. If messages have been deleted it is because a committee member has deemed it to be outside the guidelines of this club/forum, not because of me.

You give me much more power than I really have and for some reason you accuse me of doing things I haven't done. Hopefully after reading this message and confirming what I've said with the committee you'll loose this animosity you have towards me and we can get on with making this club a friendlier place.

ruchi wrote: The committee came to me asking for recommendations and information about various people in VIC for the Co-ordinator role after Mikey quit, if you ask any of the committee members they will tell you that I only spoke positively of you and gave you more praise and positive comments than anyone else, I gave you a most "glowing report".

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I had the same email as you from the committee & asking for recommendations as well, and if I’m not wrong Toni had the same email as well.

FTO338 wrote:
so is ok for you to use my name & make fun out of it letter by letter?
Wow, I didn't realise this was still an issue. This happened about 10 months ago, it was done in jest and in the same spirit as the comments you would make towards me. I had no intention of offending you and when you said you were I immediately removed it.

Why I’m upset about this? Because you only took it off 2 days later, by then 200+ members around the world had already read it, & also after I requested an explanation from you.

I didn't make any comment about you on that post what so ever, you just decided to post it up, because I disagree with you with few other things before in another post. Actually it didn't even concern you at the first place, you had stock FTO, & we were talking about modification we done on our car.

You never apologies for the humiliations you had caused, publicly or personally via PM/email.

So tell me what makes you think you can go around & criticizes others, when you know you done it heap of time yourself?? And that’s my question all along, & don’t try to steer the point toward me again!!!

Ahhh crap, at the time i posted, you didn't post your comment yet Tanya, sorry!!!

Back to the topic

I like to see FAQ's in the regular FORUMS section, due to the reason that searching and updating new info into existing topics might be easier this way.

However, I see the urgent need to create a separate section called "Abusing, Fighting, Swearing, Bitching" without any search funtion.

maybe this post should be moved to the gibberish section

or maybe we should move just Ruchi to the gibberish section