FTO AUSTRALIA

What do u mean by cops taking lives?

If you mean killing a terrorist or where in a situation where it has to be done then I honestly have no problem in that

but if they do continue to keep drug dealers and serial killer off the street I stand by what I previously said

sorry ive hadnt had time on the weekend to reply


@rock_it
the reason they would have got promoted is because they are good cops, so please dont take offense to what i am saying

i am just angry at the dickhead cops

i suppose a dickhead doing any job is horrible
but i am forced to interact with cops on a regular basis
so i suppose thats why i notice it
i will admit i am also slightly biased towards the negative view of cops because i have never read anything about a heroic cop in my local area instead i just hear about their corruption from a primary source
but despite that i will be polite to a polite cop
he will be treated the same way i am by him
if he is impolite and rude i will be the same

@j the good does outweigh the bad
but i think thats only because there are cops that will do almost no bad in their entire careers
i think what my mate got was a bit steep?
most people would just let that go as someone just being drunk
they might go up to them and tell them to settle down
but a massive fine seems a bit much to me

cops taking lives to me is wrong
i believe in capital punishment though
but that is because its a long thoughtout process whether the criminal deserves it or not
to be able to make that decision in 30 seconds is impossible
even if the killing is in self-defence it is still wrong
i like the use of stun guns these days, they provide an alternative


@koolio
sorry i always get off topic
i will see something that reminds me of something and then post a bit off topic and someone will reply and then i enjoy arguing and trying to prove my point so it will go back and forth for awhile until it gets completely off topic
happens in almost every thread that i post something more that "wttc"



anyway on the drink driving and rbts being illegal

The request must be made by a police officer, but note the officer does not have to be in uniform anymore to require a preliminary test (breath test), but he does have to be in uniform to administer it (unless after an accident then the police officer does not have to be in uniform for either the requirement or to administer any of the preliminary tests). The request can only be made if one of the following situations apply :-

the police officer has reasonable cause to suspect that you have committed, or are currently committing a moving traffic offence, or
if, having stopped, an officer has reasonable cause to suspect that the person driving/attempting to drive/in charge of the vehicle has consumed alcohol, or
the police officer has reasonable cause to believe that you were the person driving/attempting to drive/in charge of a motor vehicle which was involved in an accident.
So does that mean that the police can just stop your car if you are driving along and insist on giving you a roadside breath test? The answer is NO. They are entitled to randomly stop your car, but they can only insist on a breath test if they have reasonable cause to suspect you have committed a traffic offence, or have consumed alcohol (eg they can smell it on your breath), or they reasonably believe you have been involved in an accident (eg the description of your car matches that given by a witness).


that is UK laws though
not AU
but the reason they have those rules is because without reasonable suspicion to suspect that you are intoxicated they are violating your rights
police cant get a warrant to enter your house without suspicion
so they cant breathtest you either

in australia they ignore and blatantly violate your rights


i agree with RBT's
i just wanted to point out that they were wrong
but they are necessary


on drink-walking have a read of this
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/sout ... 5862262483

if you are over 0.15 your are to intoxicated to walk
and if they are lucky it will save 10 lives a year 0.000008% of the population
surely they can come up with a better way to save more lives rather than wasting there time here
and drink walking supposedly costs them $50 million a year

lets do some maths then
the population of adelaide is 1,158,259
26.7% are over 55
17.8% are under 15
that leaves 642833.745 or 55.5% of people between 55 and 15
studies show the most alcohol abusive part of the population are 16-24
so if we assume that adelaids population is spread evenly between 55 and 15 (it isnt, its an aging population so saying this is being generous) then its 128566.789 so about 11% of the population
which means that each person costs them about $400 a year?
thats bs to me
has to be an overexaggeration
majority of people wont cost a dime

brad_gpx wrote:but i am forced to interact with cops on a regular basis
so i suppose thats why i notice it

Maybe you need to take a closer look at yourself, your actions and your attitude, if this is the case.

I8A4RE wrote:

brad_gpx wrote:but i am forced to interact with cops on a regular basis
so i suppose thats why i notice it

Maybe you need to take a closer look at yourself, your actions and your attitude, if this is the case.

lol not in a bad way

i mean like being pulled over, at clubs etc

i dont mean they are raiding my house or arresting me

everyone is forced to interact with them
if someone else is a dickhead you dont have to acknowledge that they exist

You can't use UK legislation to protest a ruling in Australia ..

Different countries will have different privacy laws and regulations that are passed to protect you as a member of the public ... Lets look at a couple that differ ...

Consumer credit code in Australia prohibits the sharing of credit history. The only thing that can be reported is if you have outstanding defaults with company's or have been declared bankrupt. In Singapore (and some other countries) you have positive as well as negative reporting bureau's .. Australia feels that is an invasion of privacy.

In Singapore you also have a national ID. Australia believes this is an invasion of privacy, and although your Australian Birth Certificate will have a reference or ID number, it is not used..

In Australia, a third party can not access your Registration Details or drivers licence details .. They believe this should be restricted due to privacy ... However, New Zealand has registers for LTSA that lists your car details/address details and you can buy a subscription if you are a company trying to assess new customers...

In the UK, they fought for traffic camera's to not take a picture of the front of your car, as too many people were getting caught having affairs... Australia followed this logic, and opted to take photo's from the rear... Then people would be able to get off the charges, asking for proof of who was driving... This worked for a while, until Australia passed laws/regulations to say that if the driver could not confirm who was driving, the responsibility sat with the owner of the vehicle to cop the fine, until they could prove it wasn't them ... And then, if the person who was driving did not own up, the responsibility still sat on the owner of the vehicle...

In Greece, they don't have speed camera's .. As motorists protested it was against their rights... The Government fought, but locals would burn down and blow up speed camera's .. Because of the cost to replace them, the Government then gave up ...

Also, the media will play on anything it can ... Why ...? Because bad news sells ... If all was good in the world, would you buy a paper... Would you want to read about it ... No, because it is not interesting ... So, the over dramatise the negative in the world, and half the time make up sh*t just to sell ... Look at how many law suits are won against the media for defamation, and assassination of character ...

brad_gpx wrote:

I8A4RE wrote:

brad_gpx wrote:but i am forced to interact with cops on a regular basis
so i suppose thats why i notice it

Maybe you need to take a closer look at yourself, your actions and your attitude, if this is the case.

lol not in a bad way

i mean like being pulled over, at clubs etc

Exactly what I mean, Why do you think you are interacting with them soo much? Even if it is just being pulled over or at a club?

Personally I have never been approached by a cop when clubbing and in the last 10 years I have had "interaction" with police about 5 times and 4 of those times, MY BEHAVOUIR was responsible for that.

If your getting pulled over so often, then YOU are doing something to gain their attention and that is why I say you should look closer at the person in the mirror

To be honest, I have little respect for most cops becuase they dont help themselves create a good image within the public view. HOWEVER, I do repest the authority in which the hold, which is where I believe we differ. If a cop wants to be an asshole, I will still be polite and courteous. Why? Becuase of his authority, he can make my life a f**ken nightmare, right or wrong that is the way life is.

Im so sick of hearing people bitch on forums or in general conversation about how the government is f**king us over. Yet dont have the balls to do anything about it.

mr-charisma wrote:might be a good time to give up then aye?

whats next 20bux for a tooheys

already raised the tax on "alco pop" so it's almost a 20 for a smirnoff, so it's not too crazy..

Doing it here too, everything is going up (alc wise) which sucks the big one!

using the UK information i was stating that they have those rules in place to not violate rights set by the UN, not set by australia
so australia is still violating these rights


however it is completely debateably depending on your pov

i for one agree with having RBT not optional
however i still agree they are violating rights and that it has to be done to ensure safety on the road





@simon
i have never received any ticket or fine from police
my driving is questionable but police have never seen me do anything illegal
in clubs almost every time i go a mate of mine or myself will get kicked out for being to intoxicated, however when we are asked to leave, we leave almost immediately. i can understand that person being treated like sh*t.
but when we all leave together and the rest of us get treated horribly i think that is being sh*t

on the government issue
IMPO i hate australia, i hate most things about it
admittedly i like the beach, i like most people, i like the diversity of people and food and culture
but thats about all australia has to offer
i hate the government, i hate the high amount of illiterate retarded bogans, i hate medicare
perhaps its the area i live in?


after i finish uni i plan to move overseas almost immediately
until then im going to continue bitching because there is nothing i can do to change it
im an 18yr old uni student and in the eyes of almost everyone in power my opinion does not matter

If Australia was violating UN rights, then there would be sanctions slapped on our Ass ... You know like Iraq ...

http://www.dfat.gov.au/un/unsc_sanctions/
http://www.un.org/Overview/uninbrief/

The UN has nothing to do with your rights at an RBT ... "The contemporary practice of the UN Security Council is to impose highly targeted measures aimed at removing the circumstances that have led to a particular threat to, or breach of, international peace and security."

And if you hate this country so much ... Then GTFO

There is no point in being here... And the very fact that you say this, is the confirmation as to why you have no respect for authority here... Why try and sugar coat that ...

bduffman wrote:yes but just cause they do good dosent mean they can break the law as well, you cant save some ones life and take another and be even,

it was a example that just cause you do some thing right, dosent mean you can do some thing wrong and be even, had nothing to do with cops killing any one had to do with good and bad dosent cancil each other out , i typed this out this morning but net stuffed up so went to bed , now late to work so c yas

Quickly skimmed through the posts, like scrolled down and saw this doing so.

rock_it wrote: In Greece, they don't have speed camera's .. As motorists protested it was against their rights... The Government fought, but locals would burn down and blow up speed camera's .. Because of the cost to replace them, the Government then gave up ...

I wish someone did this for me before I was done on Saturday Night dammit.

You guys are just too awesome for me. Revving your cars and all.

I mean you guys MUST have the biggest street rep where you live... Bet your worshipped like gods

rock_it wrote:If Australia was violating UN rights, then there would be sanctions slapped on our Ass ... You know like Iraq ...

http://www.dfat.gov.au/un/unsc_sanctions/
http://www.un.org/Overview/uninbrief/

The UN has nothing to do with your rights at an RBT ... "The contemporary practice of the UN Security Council is to impose highly targeted measures aimed at removing the circumstances that have led to a particular threat to, or breach of, international peace and security."

And if you hate this country so much ... Then GTFO

There is no point in being here... And the very fact that you say this, is the confirmation as to why you have no respect for authority here... Why try and sugar coat that ...

sorry by UN i meant International rights
or whatever it is that helps to set a guideline to the similar rights each country has
im not sure
most of this is me trying to remember what i learned in yr 12 legal studies


i will be gtfoing
i just dont want to leave unqualified to another country with absolutely no connection in it

also another thing i like about australia, the education system


@j i dont get where this street rep and revving cars comes into this?
were you talking to me?

Kustom_FTO wrote:Quickly skimmed through the posts, like scrolled down and saw this doing so.

rock_it wrote: In Greece, they don't have speed camera's .. As motorists protested it was against their rights... The Government fought, but locals would burn down and blow up speed camera's .. Because of the cost to replace them, the Government then gave up ...

I wish someone did this for me before I was done on Saturday Night dammit.

Yeah, I have a mate that goes over there once a year .. Takes video of what they get up to on bikes ... Freaking insane ... They laugh at what we put up with in Australia ...

I see them ride at 200+k's with no licence plates, no indicators attached, and no mirrors on the bike... And not even in proper gear... Just doing crazy stuff...

But I did ride Steve's bike back with no mirrors, and it actually was not that bad... It really made you pay attention to what was surrounding you ... Just didn't like not being able to see what was coming up behind me when stopped at lights...

J wrote:You guys are just too awesome for me. Revving your cars and all.

I mean you guys MUST have the biggest street rep where you live... Bet your worshipped like gods

Fully sik rep bru - +5 rep for doing a burnout 1cm long

rock_it wrote:

Kustom_FTO wrote:Quickly skimmed through the posts, like scrolled down and saw this doing so.

rock_it wrote: In Greece, they don't have speed camera's .. As motorists protested it was against their rights... The Government fought, but locals would burn down and blow up speed camera's .. Because of the cost to replace them, the Government then gave up ...

I wish someone did this for me before I was done on Saturday Night dammit.

Yeah, I have a mate that goes over there once a year .. Takes video of what they get up to on bikes ... Freaking insane ... They laugh at what we put up with in Australia ...

I see them ride at 200+k's with no licence plates, no indicators attached, and no mirrors on the bike... And not even in proper gear... Just doing crazy stuff...

But I did ride Steve's bike back with no mirrors, and it actually was not that bad... It really made you pay attention to what was surrounding you ... Just didn't like not being able to see what was coming up behind me when stopped at lights...

ive heard before that the roads in australia are sh*t quality hence why we have lower speed limits than a lot of countries (i think it was on the topic of talking about the autobahn at the time)?

any truth to this at all?

rock_it wrote:
In Greece, they don't have speed camera's .. As motorists protested it was against their rights... The Government fought, but locals would burn down and blow up speed camera's .. Because of the cost to replace them, the Government then gave up ...

I've been wondering for years why this hasn't caught on here... the amount of camera's i pass on my way to uni is ridiculous. It's like big brother or something, 'screw up and where going to see it'. Pisses me off in a big way

IEA4R8 wrote: Im so sick of hearing people bitch on forums or in general conversation about how the government is f**king us over. Yet dont have the balls to do anything about it.

like what? burn parliament down or something? Or are you talking about voting with our feet?

…we keep getting these little weezely wining little excuses for men. There so ‘politically correct’, im surprised any of them can still stand, what with out a spine and all. All this ‘oh we don’t want to offend the boat people, here have a pension and health insurance’, and ‘lets not offence the muslims’ is a load of sh*t.

Anyways, what im trying to say here is that im open for suggestions

@brad_gpx - if you don't like Australia, your more then welcome to leave... just don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out ... just curious, what natonality are you? Like would you be leaving to go back home?

brad_gpx wrote: ive heard before that the roads in australia are sh*t quality hence why we have lower speed limits than a lot of countries (i think it was on the topic of talking about the autobahn at the time)?

any truth to this at all?

I’ve also heard that the higher the speed limit is for a particular road the more they have to maintain it. Its cheaper for them to have lower speed limits cos then they can get away with the sh*t roads.

Brad, have you ever left the country?

The reason why I ask is because I have seen a fair bit of the world now and being a kiwi living in oz and i can truely say how blessed we are to live in this wonderful country, that I now call home.

When I was in india, little girls carrying dead babies would approach the vehicle begging for money. Now we were told not to give any money to the beggers as they would not see a dime of it. Their "pimps" and i use that word loosely would take it from them. But I tell you when you look in to those eyes of that child you could not bear to drive off without giving them something. We began to carry around food so that we could give that to them instead. When you see something like that you truely think how lucky we are to have been born in a country like australia.

brad_gpx wrote:sorry ive hadnt had time on the weekend to reply

don't be sorry

brad_gpx wrote:@rock_it
the reason they would have got promoted is because they are good cops, so please dont take offense to what i am saying

so you're saying noone has ever been promoted even though they're incompetent? or there are no crooked cops at a higher rank? thats retarded .. how old are you? i'm sorry, but it doesn't seem like you have a lot of life experience

brad_gpx wrote:.. i am forced to interact with cops on a regular basis

doesn't sound like anyone's forcing you to do anything .. hate to agree with Simon, but it seems like your behaviour / attitude thats getting you in trouble here..

brad_gpx wrote: i think what my mate got was a bit steep?
...a massive fine seems a bit much to me

your mate got what was coming to him .. if the ball had just accidentally bounced & hit him he might have let it go, but your mate threw it at his head.. lucky the cop didn't throw the lot of you in a cell for the night for drunk & disorderly..

brad_gpx wrote:cops taking lives to me is wrong
i believe in capital punishment though

how can you be against taking lives & for taking lives? every post of yours has so many contradictions..

brad_gpx wrote:i like the use of stun guns these days, they provide an alternative

tasers, stun guns etc are the devil! how would you like to be electrocuted repeatedly while the cops have a laugh?

As for RBT's .. I might get frustrated if I get stopped while I'm in a hurry to get somewhere because I don't drink & drive .. unfortunately it's the minority of dickheads out there that do drink & drive that are the reason we need them..

Personally, I don't think the fines are enough of a deterrent for these dickheads.. it's usually hella cheaper to cop a fine than take a taxi if you live a while from where you're drinking, so it's worth it for them to take the chance ..

Drink driving fines should start at $10,000 or a few years jailtime & go up from there I reckon .. you can't put a price on someone's life & they're gambling with vehicular manslaughter / murder every time they get in the car drunk..

My girl had her car written off by drunk driver a while ago, $5K down & his WRX totalled - we got the cops to breathalyse him & he was something like 3x over the limit.. needless to say his insurance didn't cover his $30k car that he still had financed & his mum eventually paid us for the car after taking him to court.. but if the car wasn't there he would have plowed into the downstairs neighbours bedroom & probably killed them..

Naa craig, it was directed at bduffman and bradgpx...

It had nothing to do with your post

Edit: on the topic of stunguns... I support the decision to use them. If it means not killing an offender without any risk of harm to the officer or standbys.

It is a good alternative to guns in some situations as I'd rather see a convicted murderer given a lifetime jail sentence then have him dead... You do the crime, you get punished and have time to think about the choices you made.

For example, a rapist trying to flee the scene, being chased by an officer. I don't want him dead, I want that motherfkr to rot in jail