FTO AUSTRALIA

Is that box even half sealed??? Looks like it's full of gaps!

silverGPX wrote:There is room between the bumper and the radiator, its just a big duct for the radiator, just cut a hole in the side of it. $30 piece of flexi pipe, cut a hole in the mesh, get a anodized induction ring to make it pretty.

Then you can get all your silicon joints and polished pipe in the engine bay. $150 max.

You make an airbox, using one of the Diy's. ~$50
You wack your podfilter in your box and your done.

= left over money for booze to congratulate yourself at the end of it all.

AGAIN i state - there is NO room between the radiator/condenser and the front bar.
There is metal mounting points to either side of the radiator (between radiator and light box's) which i cannot cut into, as they are both metal and support beams with sh*t on them etc.
I cannot go under the radiator as well i think that one is pretty obvious, as with going over it.
The only other choice i have is to either move (which would be practicaly impossible or require a lot of remounting and work or just get a slightly smaller radiator OR use the path the stock intake uses - which would be no point as i would only fit a small flexi pipe through a maze of crappy bends and twists which defeats the purpose.

AGAIN, i state that i am not doing purely for the power gain because i think its justified.
In my personal opinion i think the stock setup is stupid and restrictive to a degree, so i am replacing it, and doing it properly and not a shed job with cheap flexi pipe (no offence intended to those who have already done this)

I have spent many hours thinking and inspecting the front end of my car with and without the bumper on, and i can guarantee this setup is the best option.
Just in case some of you got the wrong picture in your head or cant figure it out this is exactly what im going to do, as best i can describe it:

Shifting the battery to the boot to free up the engine bay space, and also replacing (again possibly remounting although this is extremely unlikely) radiator to make a gap big enough from the far left middle grill slot to a box located roughly where the stock one is (i am probably going to utilize the stock mounting points the factory box uses)
I will be running a 5" carbon intake ring from the bumper into a 5-4" reducer on the ring, into a 4" aluminum pipe running straight (literally straight) to the carbon fibre box i will be making myself from a kit. Here it goes back out into another 4" aluminum pipe out the ass end of the box into a 4-3" reducer on the throttle body. The only thing i havent decided on is whether i am going to get a 1/4 circle like mandrel bend pipe and have that gradual curve to the TB, or to run a more direct pipe to the TB at the cost of a funny angle both from box end to end (where pipes come in/out) and a slightly sharper bend at the TB.
I say this because i dont really want the front bar pipe running into the box at an upward 45deg angle, and the for it to exit on the opposite 45deg angle on a flat incline, but it is the most ergonomical thing to do so ill just have to reduce these angles as good as possible.

I say this is cheap because all up my piping and reducers is going to cost 70 dollars, carbon box will be another 70, intake ring is another 60. I cant really factor the relocation into the cost, as im getting another benefit out of it, and would have done it regardless of upgrading the intake.
The radiator is also something i would of upgraded in the near future along with an oil/tranny cooler at some stage in the game.

So to restate for everyone, i dont car about the power gain, i really dont, im not trying to justify the money spent through a dyno sheet.

@mosti - money is not the issue here, i guess i appreciate everyone telling me that something else would be sufficient at a better price etc but i have not done anything here based on price. If it were legal i would fabricate the left hand light box as my intake point, and that would be MUCH more expensive...
@payaya - i am interested too, i am curious as to what the difference is but ill be happy either way, ill make a quick DIY guide with only a few pics as most members here it seems don't/won't ever go this way.

I guess some of this also is based on the laziness of trying to source a decent pipe and box, i really cbf trolling the net for something that probably got discontinued a decade ago, and would still cost a fair bit. I also dont want to ask here either as everytime a question like this pops up you get 50 posts telling you to use the search button amongst other things, and i cbf searching for a website or shop i cant search for directly.
Also makes my FTO unique too, and saves me the hassle of doing it down the road when the 4g touches down

Taz wrote:AGAIN, i state that i am not doing purely for the power gain because i think its justified......

In my personal opinion i think the stock setup is stupid and restrictive to a degree, so i am replacing it, and doing it properly and not a shed job with cheap flexi pipe

You think the stock box is restrictive.......restrictive to what exactly mate? Restrictive as in how much air it feeds through? Air = more Kw.
You state the box is restrictive....yet you state you don't care about gains.

f**k me..

yes, i do think the stock box is restrictive just by looking at it, and you misunderstood my words.
I am mainly doing this to free up some airflow to the engine and somewhat for the look, i couldnt give a sh*t if i gained 1kw, or even nothing, power gain in mind is not why i started this project. Obviously there will be some gain and obviously i understand that, i simply state i don't care for the figure or started this project with nothing else to consider...
Honestly if you don't like this project and its direction, i am going to politely tell you to f off, you don't have to read any of this, i don't know why you are as clearly you think it is stupid and unjustified amongst other things. so don't just follow this thread to pick at my words and post crap, because i don't care for it.
If you don't like it, don't read it. If you dont have anything nice to say, don't say it at all. Simple. <--these should be official forum rules

Seems a lot my threads in general seem to attract a lot of haters and unconstructive criticism - is it that hard to just not reply and let the thread die quickly of your that against what im saying?

Taz wrote:yes, i do think the stock box is restrictive just by looking at it, and you misunderstood my words.
I am mainly doing this to free up some airflow to the engine and somewhat for the look, i couldnt give a sh*t if i gained 1kw, or even nothing, power gain in mind is not why i started this project. Obviously there will be some gain and obviously i understand that, i simply state i don't care for the figure or started this project with nothing else to consider...
Honestly if you don't like this project and its direction, i am going to politely tell you to f off, you don't have to read any of this, i don't know why you are as clearly you think it is stupid and unjustified amongst other things. so don't just follow this thread to pick at my words and post crap, because i don't care for it.
If you don't like it, don't read it. If you dont have anything nice to say, don't say it at all. Simple. <--these should be official forum rules

Seems a lot my threads in general seem to attract a lot of haters and unconstructive criticism - is it that hard to just not reply and let the thread die quickly of your that against what im saying?

Hey you are from QLD right?

bass_twitch wrote:

Taz wrote:yes, i do think the stock box is restrictive just by looking at it, and you misunderstood my words.
I am mainly doing this to free up some airflow to the engine and somewhat for the look, i couldnt give a sh*t if i gained 1kw, or even nothing, power gain in mind is not why i started this project. Obviously there will be some gain and obviously i understand that, i simply state i don't care for the figure or started this project with nothing else to consider...
Honestly if you don't like this project and its direction, i am going to politely tell you to f off, you don't have to read any of this, i don't know why you are as clearly you think it is stupid and unjustified amongst other things. so don't just follow this thread to pick at my words and post crap, because i don't care for it.
If you don't like it, don't read it. If you dont have anything nice to say, don't say it at all. Simple. <--these should be official forum rules

Seems a lot my threads in general seem to attract a lot of haters and unconstructive criticism - is it that hard to just not reply and let the thread die quickly of your that against what im saying?

Hey you are from QLD right?

LOL!!!


Hey Taz, I know how you feel, what you want is remove kw restrictions but not necessarily trying to squeeze out every ounce of power, just trying to have the piece of mind that you have taken off the unnecessary restrictions...

Post your setup when you finish - it'd be good to see a new setup...

Taz wrote:yes, i do think the stock box is restrictive just by looking at it, and you misunderstood my words.
I am mainly doing this to free up some airflow to the engine and somewhat for the look, i couldnt give a sh*t if i gained 1kw, or even nothing, power gain in mind is not why i started this project. Obviously there will be some gain and obviously i understand that, i simply state i don't care for the figure or started this project with nothing else to consider...
Honestly if you don't like this project and its direction, i am going to politely tell you to f off, you don't have to read any of this, i don't know why you are as clearly you think it is stupid and unjustified amongst other things. so don't just follow this thread to pick at my words and post crap, because i don't care for it.
If you don't like it, don't read it. If you dont have anything nice to say, don't say it at all. Simple. <--these should be official forum rules

Seems a lot my threads in general seem to attract a lot of haters and unconstructive criticism - is it that hard to just not reply and let the thread die quickly of your that against what im saying?

Everything you says contradicts itself.

"cheap project"..yet you're considering spending $800 on a radiator
"Don't care for gains"... yet you want more air to the engine

If you didn't care about gains then why consider spending lots of $$$ trying to make a less restrictive feed? You can still make something look good using the existing air box hole..


lol, i'll F off now

Stop fighting eachother . It's the hondas we need to worry about !

This is where i would usually block mosti and like ghold's post on facebook, but its a forum so...
im just going to plain ignore you mosti, you havent been reading (or just understanding) my posts, so whatever - you go think what you want, i honestly dont care
gholdy - pretty much on the head. Im glad at least one person gets what im doing.
Its eventually going to bottleneck and its going to be the intake, so im definitely keen to do a decent setup now and get it off the list rather than moving it down.
While money here is not i guess restricted, would love it if i didnt have to buy a pwr rad just to run a pipe, guess ill go back to the drawing board for the night on that one.
Im hoping its all going to come together smoothly when its done, it will definitely look smart!

I also dont know why everyone is telling me there is clearance between the rad and the front bar. Ive looked at it for hours and there is no other way. I highly doubt a 98 model facelift has a different front end setup that would take away a clearance somewhere. It is less than 1cm between the radiator and the metal support post between the radiator and the headlight box - you can barely see sunlight through it.
I would also have to sacrifice the denser as well or find another way around it. - Ive looked into modifying the front bar to accomodate a 5" hole, but im very against it as it would be a no turning back thing, on a new bar that isnt even on yet as well
There is just no other way i can do this.

I think il just run many small pipes from the engine through firewall
And connect it to my a/c. Cold air intake at it's best

Stop calling the intake restrictive! It if was restrictive a power gain will be noticed. FTO's intakes have been done, greater than what you are doing, and the gain was a slap in the face!!

Why do you need the the intake as straight as possible for? It's called a cold air intake for a reason. You reckon having air forced in to the intake pipe will give you a power gain? Do what Bennoz did, it's the best solution for an FTO.

But I reckon still do it as when I first got my FTO I probably would have thought about doing the same thing.

Give you an idea.

Get something like below and mount it upside down so the side hose is facing upwards. Mount it under your radiator and run a pipe to it. Cold air baby and no restriction! Just watch out for the puddles.

^^. Gave me the strange idea of hookin up a vacuum up rofl

Yep it just looks like its ready to suck on some air.

Taz wrote:you havent been reading (or just understanding) my posts, so whatever - you go think what you want

Lol I understand exactly what you're saying mate, I passed year 12 English....comprehensive skills are in tact .

I've read your posts and understand clearly what you want to do. However, the reason for doing it is contradictory....that is all I'm saying. I couldn't give a rats ass if you plugged you're anal up to the throttle body, ate beans all day and used sh*t particles to force air down the valves....

I'm not telling you what you can and cant do

Wouldn't you rather use $800 on a radiator on something else? lol...

If your gonna get this setup your gonna have to fabricate mounts, find some radiator fans that u can adapt, experiment with different radiator pipes, and praying that your smaller radiator is up to cooling the fto, lose your aircon/decrease value of car. I dont know why your trying to be different. Imagine how much its gonna suck when you got no aircon in the summer temps of brisbane.

Might as well remove all your aircon gear while your at it, so that means no compressor, so youll have to get a shorter belt.

If u have $800 to burn id be getting a haltech, much more fun, settings to tune. All what your doing could cost you the instalation and tune of a haltech as well as the same intake system everyone else is running.

I like to suck

^drunk?

Guys, don't worry about how Taz spending his money.
With all his threads full of funky ideas, i believe he's a rich ass guy who loves being different. Nothing wrong on that. He got the money to burn.
800 for an intake mod should be peanuts to him.
He's also going to do 4g63t + awd conversion soon.

$800....and the rest haha.

Hey Taz, can you swing me some cash for an evo conversion?
anyone? ... lol
Wish i was rich . Being rich looks fun

Matt - i couldnt care about the value of the car, i don't intend on selling it. ever.
As for the a/c, if i am forced to remove it all it would only be a year earlier than what i would do it anyway, seriously considering when i do the swap that im just going to go full track.
It's not worth getting a haltech at the moment either, as the only things that will be done worth getting a chip over would be intake/exhaust. Everyones talking about justified mone and everything so me doing that would probably cause more of an uproar.
Phunky - damn straight im wild with ideas, if i don't do it who will? One day ill be as crazy as (i think he used to be smokesolid on here i believe?)
Ive got port and polished heads and (rpw i think) headers on the way which will be here in a month. I will do the flywheel and re-do the clutch to something a bit less driveable and get it started on the track atleast, which will THEN justify an ecu then, rather than now. Im probably also going to cause an uproar then too as i will be getting a decent motec 880 priced at about 5k. cant wait for the trolls to feed.
will get pictures up when im finished with it all, just got to get a few more of the details worked out and the stuff to get here.

$150 from autobahn. Case closed!