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yep, was planning on those first anyway

khunjeng, u said a 15-20kw upgrade at the wheels?
thats quite a lot from just exhaust and intake.

JahjaMan wrote:yep, was planning on those first anyway

khunjeng, u said a 15-20kw upgrade at the wheels?
thats quite a lot from just exhaust and intake.

read what i wrote.

I got ~13rwkw gain from just a zorst and intake on the dyno. The SAFC/emanage would have take it up another 5rwkw based on the AFRs we were looking at. But this assumes good products with proper setup..

The new down pipes would give another few kw...and the extractors..then a bigger TB. FTO388 had these and was going nice.

As a comparision...My highflow zorst and cai upgrade on my RB25 gave me 50rwkw.

theres actually a much cheaper device, the jaycar item.
does all that the apexi one does. plenty of articles on how to put them together.

If you were going to spend more, i'd go an emanage. More control over your engine than merely a SAFC

Liquidity wrote:theres actually a much cheaper device, the jaycar item.
does all that the apexi one does. plenty of articles on how to put them together.

If you were going to spend more, i'd go an emanage. More control over your engine than merely a SAFC

go back to the origfional advice. ASK YOUR TUNER...who f**king cares which one you get they for these basic mods your only adjust AFRs with the same amount of points so it doens't matter...as long as your tuner and tune the device THATS WHATS IMPORTANT...

If he has no exp. with emamange why the f**k would u take it to him and vice versa for the *~dreamy~* jaycar items which look sh*t.

and as for this aparent engine control....what exactly is it going to control??? with the mods he has, which appear to be none thers not much timing is going to be changed and thats about the differnece...

I have an emange and an SAFC and a powerFC now...so yeah I have tuned them a few times and can say the difference between the SAFC and the emange was not much..

well given the jaycar items about 1/5th the price of even a SAFC...and it offers VERY simple control, it wouldnt be rocket science to adjust.

Hell, if the tuner told me where he'd like to tweak it, i could do it. Saving myself a fair few bob.

The jaycar item is "set and forget", like any engine management control at this level. I'd rather set it and hide it, then have someone steal my apexi unit and be fucked.

The emanage offers full ignition control (you mentioned timing?) which the safc doesnt.

Liquidity wrote:well given the jaycar items about 1/5th the price of even a SAFC...and it offers VERY simple control, it wouldnt be rocket science to adjust.

Hell, if the tuner told me where he'd like to tweak it, i could do it. Saving myself a fair few bob.

The jaycar item is "set and forget", like any engine management control at this level. I'd rather set it and hide it, then have someone steal my apexi unit and be fucked.

The emanage offers full ignition control (you mentioned timing?) which the safc doesnt.

you you wanna dial in more timing with a zorst and cai upgrade? lol you also need to buy the ignition control harness for anouther few hundred which for your FTO with no mods isn't gonna help you anyway...what do you think ignition control is for? turn the car on ? lol

mate I have had one of each already so I do actually know about them.

But you obviously dont know everything
Heres some nice little quotes for you

Features for the S-AFC II include:
Newly designed case and user interface, single button menu navigation, 12 point fuel correction in 200 RPM increments,

Versus

Jaycar Digital Fuel Adjuster
Ref: High Performance Electronic Project for Cars – Silicon Chip Publications.
This unit is a huge revolution in DIY automotive performance. It gives you the power to completely tune the air/fuel ratio throughout the entire load range, at 128 load points,

Total cost of jaycar item AND seperate hand-controller used to program it? About $150. Less with a trade card.

Why does everyone here seem to be so pig-headed towards "alternative" ways to achieve an objective just because they haven't done it? I'm sorry if you spent all your money on a shitload of different piggybacks/standalones just to learn theres 3/5ths of f**k all difference, and i'm not arguing with your experience, merely suggesting alternative, cheaper ways and points to consider.

IF you were planning to mod your car a lot down the track, the emanage makes more sense than the apexi item, as yes, it has the option for expandability with ignition control. If your not, however, the jaycar item will do the same job as the apexi unit for less than half the price, and you can program it yourself at a dyno, taking advice on HOW To adjust the ratios from a proper tuner.

I'm just offering solutions for people that may not have the luxury of all that extra money on a "pretty" unit, that frankly, has sh*t functionality compared to other options. Dig?

Liquidity wrote:But you obviously dont know everything
Heres some nice little quotes for you

Features for the S-AFC II include:
Newly designed case and user interface, single button menu navigation, 12 point fuel correction in 200 RPM increments,

Ok i'm just try to make it clear here, my understanding is, 12 points of adjustment per 200 RPM increments, with 8000rpm thats 480 load points.

Apexi S-AFCII does have a lot more "gadgets" function then just air/fuel ratio adjustment. Just like the e-manager, whether you use it, its a differen't story.

I guess its the visual appeal and the brand factor as in why 90% of the people will buy them and also second hand one cost around $150-200.

Liquidity wrote:But you obviously dont know everything
Heres some nice little quotes for you

Features for the S-AFC II include:
Newly designed case and user interface, single button menu navigation, 12 point fuel correction in 200 RPM increments,

Versus

Jaycar Digital Fuel Adjuster
Ref: High Performance Electronic Project for Cars – Silicon Chip Publications.
This unit is a huge revolution in DIY automotive performance. It gives you the power to completely tune the air/fuel ratio throughout the entire load range, at 128 load points,

Total cost of jaycar item AND seperate hand-controller used to program it? About $150. Less with a trade card.

Why does everyone here seem to be so pig-headed towards "alternative" ways to achieve an objective just because they haven't done it? I'm sorry if you spent all your money on a shitload of different piggybacks/standalones just to learn theres 3/5ths of f*** all difference, and i'm not arguing with your experience, merely suggesting alternative, cheaper ways and points to consider.

IF you were planning to mod your car a lot down the track, the emanage makes more sense than the apexi item, as yes, it has the option for expandability with ignition control. If your not, however, the jaycar item will do the same job as the apexi unit for less than half the price, and you can program it yourself at a dyno, taking advice on HOW To adjust the ratios from a proper tuner.

I'm just offering solutions for people that may not have the luxury of all that extra money on a "pretty" unit, that frankly, has sh*t functionality compared to other options. Dig?

Whats are you talking about "sh*t functionaility?" the jaycar unit has the sh*t functionality mate not to mention not as many tuning points...

SAFC2 cost me $230 delivered brand new. it holds 2 pre-set maps for different driving styles, looks better and can be mounted properly...