Injectors

RedlineGX · Post by **RedlineGX** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 10:31 pm

No they wont. They will just run so rich it wont even idle properly.

Timnkoo · Post by **Timnkoo** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 11:10 pm

I have just added my on forced induction kit and intake.....would the stock ECU be able to take that easily or would there be question marks? It is quite a large intake and i have noticed that the car is quite rough at low speed (i know that doesnt have anything to do with forced induction but i though i would kill to birds with the one post). So yeah thats another question..is it normal to have quite a "jerky" manual FTO at low throttle? not low revs, just low throttle like going slow in 1st?
Thanks guys

Mitsiman · Post by **Mitsiman** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 6:48 pm

The stock ecu won't handle any larger innjectors at all - it will completely throw it out of sync and definitly for any n/a mods you would never need larger injectors.

The stock ones are definily only 166cc units - we have 210, 275, 390 and 450cc direct bolt in replacement injectors all readily available but the needs for these are very small unless turbocharging and even then, at low boost I would only recomend going to either the 210 or 275cc units only cause anything larger on a stock engine woudl be completely unnecessary.

And you woudl need a greddy emanage to be able to compensate for the larger injectors unitchip or haltech interceptor would not be able to handle it.

mr_bishi · Post by **mr_bishi** » Sat Dec 31, 2005 1:05 am

Mitsiman wrote: And you woudl need a greddy emanage to be able to compensate for the larger injectors unitchip or haltech interceptor would not be able to handle it.

What about one of the Microtech units?

What is it about larger injectors the ecu doesn't understand? I can see that it would open them for the same amount of time as the starndard ones hence overfuelling,but couldn't that be compensated for using the MAP sensor adjustment (fueling) feature on the sacf/vafc?

Mitsiman · Post by **Mitsiman** » Sat Dec 31, 2005 12:56 pm

Microtech woudl be fine, or the haltech E6X package which we can do.

Problem is that you can only on something lika SAFC unit, adjust the fuel by + / - 20%. So going even up to 210cc injectors would max out your fuel adjustment leavingyou nothing to do any fine tuning with, and even then you still don't have a lot of rpm tuning points to work with.

dannyboyau · Post by **dannyboyau** » Sat Dec 31, 2005 1:37 pm

sorry for getting off the topic But

Mitsiman i found the magna forums and noticed a special that was done there during the year for camshafts

http://aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19086

How about doing some camshaft specials for the FTO club

mr_bishi · Post by **mr_bishi** » Sat Dec 31, 2005 10:18 pm

Mitsiman wrote:Microtech woudl be fine, or the haltech E6X package which we can do.

Problem is that you can only on something lika SAFC unit, adjust the fuel by + / - 20%. So going even up to 210cc injectors would max out your fuel adjustment leavingyou nothing to do any fine tuning with, and even then you still don't have a lot of rpm tuning points to work with.

Right,gotcha!....Cheers for the info

Mitsiman · Post by **Mitsiman** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 12:17 pm

In order to do a specials on camshafts - we would need to garauntee a sale of at least 10 sets.

THe thing with the magna cams is that they are shared with the USA galant / eclipse vehicles and as such we could afford to discount them because it was an international group sale.

Unfortunatly due to the high cost of manafacturing the 6A12 mivec camshafts due to low demand, they are always going to be an expensive product.

dannyboyau · Post by **dannyboyau** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 1:32 pm

On the magna site it did mention the non mivec models 6A12/6A13 for $1655, there was no mention of a miniumum amount of camshafts to guarantee price.
What sort of price could you do.
Maybe we could stimulate some interest from club members

khunjeng · Post by **khunjeng** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 7:53 pm

ya RPW quote around $2000-2500 for theirs...1600 would be cheep as I suspect. Too many mods to do not enuf money!

dannyboyau · Post by **dannyboyau** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 7:59 pm

if i had seen the magna site when this special was on i would have bought some.

mitsiman what sort of price could you do if we got 10 buyers

BuCkEt · Post by **BuCkEt** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 9:51 pm

Getting 10 buyers from this club for camshafts might not be such an easy thing to do.

khunjeng · Post by **khunjeng** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 10:28 pm

do you have to replace the whole cam shaft?? I mean I got my EL Ford one ground on exchnage for like $200! now its mid and has a sh*t load more grunt...also btw extractors are like $200!!!

dannyboyau · Post by **dannyboyau** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 10:33 pm

can always try

Mitsiman · Post by **Mitsiman** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 11:36 am

The 6A12/6a13 camshaft you are referring to is the Non Mivc versions which are a single lobe camshaft pair only.

The 6A12 Mivec ones are more expensive again due to there duel lobe pattern.

The price of a set of new billet mivec profile cams is around $2500.00 for the set of four. I am open to the idea of a group buy but I don't think the demand will be there for it.

And no regrounding them is a really bad idea - it really messes up the lifter clearances, has high wear factors tehre after as well as you can't do a really large change to the profile due to the limited amount of material you can remove.

dannyboyau · Post by **dannyboyau** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 12:30 pm

Mitsiman wrote:The 6A12/6a13 camshaft you are referring to is the Non Mivc versions which are a single lobe camshaft pair only.

Can we get a price for the 6A12/6A13 camshaft too.

There are some 6A13 and 6A12 engines with turbos that are non mivec that might be interested.

Mitsiman · Post by **Mitsiman** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 4:49 pm

$2000.00 incl GST for a non Mivec 6A12/6A13 DOHC 24v camshaft (Set of four) regardless of which grind. We have blank billets in stock all the time.

dannyboyau · Post by **dannyboyau** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 8:20 pm

are the prices you giving for a group buy or individual and does this include GST on the mivec cams

Mitsiman · Post by **Mitsiman** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 2:55 pm

All prices are incl GST and are not group buy prices.

spetz · Post by **spetz** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 7:37 pm

Mitsiman,
I would be willing to pay that money if:
1. You could do some package where we get everything needed (ie, springs, cam gears etc for a reasonable price)
2. There were results on how these go (ie, where peak power is, torque, MIVEC change over point, all important figures)

In saying that, my engine is getting rebuilt now, and I would be willing to be a guinea pig if you would sell them at a lower price. This would give an indication of what these would do to a new FTO. I would be willing to put my car on numerous dyno's for any figures needed.

But unfortunately, at this stage taking into perspective that the cams, springs, cam gears, installation and tuning would be somewhere around $4000, that is a LOT of money for something that we don't even know what it will do to the engine.
With testing and results though I would be willing to spend that kind of money for significant proven power/torque gain