Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 4:36 pm
hmmm if scracys fto is so reliable
we should use it as a benchmark and make turbo kits !
we should use it as a benchmark and make turbo kits !
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Maybe idiot was too strong a word i am just a bit tired of seeing people put up a cost to do something with out properly explaining it, which you did not do. SO maybe i should have called you something else any suggestions?. not very many car owners have the mechanical background to attempt doing a turbo conversion. The biggest cost is the labour, the reason performance shops charge so much is the time in fabricating parts, putting it on checking and double checking then adjusting for problems encountered. Having been involved in doing conversions and seen quite a lot of differant upgrades and conversions done over the years. I seen one guy recently did a turbo upgrade on his car and didnt do it properly and crushed his wiring harness causing a short and kept over boosting, he blamed all the people he bought the parts off, eventually they found where he had made the problem. Seen one guy today had installed his turbo oil return line so as it entered the block it had to go uphill, I could go on and on about backyarders doing work on there cars. You can try and make it sound simple but it very rarely is, there is the cost of wiring in the emange or piggy back or aftermarket ECU, fitting for the turbo oil feed and oil return and water fittings, heat shields, how about a mivec controller, or a BOV, decompression gasket, battery relocation, boost controller, variable rate fuel pressure regulator, fuel pump, bigger injectors, fuel lines and fittings for the fpr, then the time spent on a dyno to get it tuned properly, I know some people out there like to think they can tune there cars, but it is amazing how many times i have seen and heard of blown head gaskets and detonate pistons by playing with the tuning of there car. By the way even some of the so called experts I will not use, only one person tunes my car now, after 2 of my engines detonated with in a week of a so called expert tuning it. I could put a turbo on a FTO and it would cost me less than 5 grand and it would work but it would not work as efficently as i would be happy with it, because to make it work properly it costs more than 5 grand, everthing is connected and to get it right you have to make sure each part suits the others, not a collection of cheap parts off ebay. Actually after writing down the parts you missed from your list makes me wonder what sort turbo job you done if you only needed five parts to put a turbo on your car.to4garret wrote:Danny, I do not take kindly too been called an idiot thank you, I a not trying to offend anyone, nor mislead, I am speaking from personal experience here.
I have done a very similar job with my car, V6 VR4 (see www link), I did it myself, with a lot of research and asking people questions. Yes it was turbo'd in the first place, which did make it easier for me. But the way in which I positioned the turbo and built the manifold is applicable to the FTO. The way I did it, is not the most *optimal* way for the turbo to sit, because the rear bank of cyl's has a longer distance to travel creating non-uniform exhaust pulses, but it does make the car sound similar to a six cyl Subaru. The ideal would have been to go over the gearbox as you have done, but doing it that way would have added considerably more expense, moving fuel lines, repositioning the throttle body, shielding electronics etc.
Granted the FTO is a different car/engine, but the principal remains. Low boost high compression, greedy e-manage and the standard ECU, the factory injectors should support 150kw at the wheels standard. Of course there maybe unforeseen problems, but I could not see that been from a mechanical side, the only unknown factor for me in the turbo conversion would be the ECU side of things, which I, or who ever would have to *research* more into.
Forgetting my car is not an FTO, but of the same engine family, here is a shopping list. These are prices I paid and are estimations because I do not have the actual prices in front of me at the moment.
$600 TDO5H BIG 16G
$300 EVO intercooler (I have a hybrid, but an EVO cooler would be better)
$800 Manifold and exhaust modifications
$800 for intake modification, piping, Samco, intake for the turbo etc.
$800 for piggy back computer. (e-manage supports ignition with optional expansion)
The greatest saving came from attempting this myself, labor is the killer of the budget. But for some one with a bit of mechanical knowledge it would be great too try. The feeling of success when it works is indescribable.
Of course, if you do it yourself there's no guarantee it will work, I had many sleepness nights wondering if this was going to work... and it did, very well I might add. There is no harm in trying something different, I just added another way/idea to the pot for people to take inspiration from.
Now I built this in NZ. I am sure the prices would not vary that much in regards to the fabrication of exhaust and intake. Instead of going to a specialized performance car shop, I went to a general engineer for the manifold, and a normal exhaust shop for the intercooler piping, it is amazing the difference in price you pay.
I am saying it can be done for that price, as you said, there's no guarantee it would work, the way I did it is not be for everyone, some people may prefer a drive in drive out kit, this is just another option/avenue, a little ingenuity goes a long way to saving a lot of money. Think outside the square.
Yes Scarcy's turbo car was done in Japan originally, but he rebuilded it here, & add few extra parts. It similar setup from memory, but much more reliable then the originally Jap tune.akumi wrote:yeah i think fto617 is right, we should use scracy's FTO as a benchmark and i think since it is done in jap, coz there's more professional tuners there. 150kw is it ATW? If it is, i think it's fine by me. How much did u pay for your car Scracy?