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ruchi wrote:While it would be possible to use these cams with a turbo, given the agressive nature of the new cams I think you'd be better off using the normal cams with a turbo.

its hard to say... uprated cams on forced induction has proven great results for other cars... only testing will answer this though

I'm sure it will have great results in terms of performance what I question is the drivability of the car. If you want hard core power then the combo would be good, but if you want something which is still very drivable then I would question the combo.

FTOluv wrote:Steve, if u bring out these CAMS around 1.5K i dont think i can ever sell my car!!

dont forget that you'll need a programmable ECU to go with it....so its not a cheap mod

simon

Chiangstar wrote:

FTOluv wrote:Steve, if u bring out these CAMS around 1.5K i dont think i can ever sell my car!!

dont forget that you'll need a programmable ECU to go with it....so its not a cheap mod

simon

oh no, programable ecu

but i thought the FTO ecu can make small adjustments (air flow, timeing etc) it self anyway. can some one please clarify?

thanks

adjusting the rate at which the valves open and close and the duartion they are open is by no means a "small adjustment".

ruchi wrote:If you want hard core power then the combo would be good, but if you want something which is still very drivable then I would question the combo.

that's why my girlfriend drives a mazda3 er actually that's why i drive my girlfriends mazda3 so much

mazda3 = quiet / comfortable and nice power as standard

my fto =
rock hard suspension
noisy
very finely tuned turn in ... (can be a bit twitchy on sh*tty roads)....
eventually it won't be a daily driver...


When it comes to tuning the engine for the new CAMS we still need to work on it ... i have a VAFC sitting here which will have to go in... a SAFC would do ok however i like the ability to modify CAM changeover which is where the VAFC comes in...

if you are seriously considering the CAMS mod you should have already done:
intake
exhaust
Throttle body (in development)
new intake plennum (in development)

if you've done these then you'll already have pretty much as much power as your going to get before you crack the engine open...

AFC's should already have been done or done as part of the CAMS upgrade....

smorison wrote:new intake plennum (in development)

Getting slightly off topic, is this just a re-design of the air filter box and CAI piping, as the current one should have a minor plenum effect.

ruchi wrote:

smorison wrote:new intake plennum (in development)

Getting slightly off topic, is this just a re-design of the air filter box and CAI piping, as the current one should have a minor plenum effect.

i haven't seen it yet so i don't know what mods ... but the plennum is post Throttle body ... i know they've done flow benching testing before and after but not sure about gains as it hasn't been put on a car just yet...

I'm actually starting to get concerned about injector Duty Cycles...

Just a quick question I was thinking about. In this early part of planning what would be included in the cost of the upgrade? Probably a better question would be what would need to be replaced along with the cams? I was thinking would springs, lifters, etc. Need to be replaced as well, maybe upgraded? I've been told by an engineering mate that when you change CAMS you should always change the lobes and lifters because like pads with your brakes they will settle into deviations in the CAM? Is this true? SOund like a great future for modifiy the fantastic FTO though. Glad I'm getting into it over the last few years? Good work everyone

the current answer is we don't know...

i guess if your cams are pitted really badly then there may be a case to replace other parts of the engine...

We haven't done this before to a MIVEC so its a learn as you go process (on my car)... time will tell what has to be done

what happened to robs car ?? howcome he is getting a nu engine ?

G_A_V wrote:what happened to robs car ?? howcome he is getting a nu engine ?

cheaper to replace than repair... rob can tell the full story

Have the Mivec cams, been sent off for the manufacturer to look at, I have been told that it is very hard to create a smooth change over between both cams, as you loose momentum as the came are switching from low to high. (Which will create a jolt)

Have they looked into this yet, do they have a game plan yet?

Black_FTOGPX wrote:Have the Mivec cams, been sent off for the manufacturer to look at, I have been told that it is very hard to create a smooth change over between both cams, as you loose momentum as the came are switching from low to high. (Which will create a jolt)

Have they looked into this yet, do they have a game plan yet?

no not yet they're on their way to me from the UK at the moment...

Have they got the MIVEC cams yet?

probably next week... which sucks cause it means they won't be ready for our track day....

so is that mean the MIVEC cams are gonna be harder to made or to gain a different? i remember another section talks about 2 different cams that will either increase torque or increase high end rev

i just hope the cams make a huge differences lol

ok the fto needs 4 cams like byt does mivec actually make a difference to them. We have a low cam and a high cam don't we? and so it is just the way they are ground (profile duration etc) that will be different. when mivec kicks in the cam you are using changes, basically is this right?
so mivec cams should not be much more expensive to produce than normal ones, except the cost of r+d?

as for replacing other components, well i guess that depends on the final lift and duration, but i would reckon stronger valve springs would be the go so they can still keep up, but then you gotta knock the head off to do it....

sounds like a serious mod.

I'm keen, well will be when i do the reuild for nos...

I don't know if you've got the workings of the cams right in your mind Gwido.

You're correct in saying that FTO has four cams but there isn't such a thing as a MIVEC Cam.

Both intake and exhaust camshafts have two sets of lobes for each cylinder that the camshaft runs over.

Now I'm not sure exactly how MIVEC achieves this, but I'm guessing it's an oil filled solenoid that moves/locks a secondary cam follower to the lifter? I haven't read up exactly what systems MIVEC uses, I only know how VTEC YO!!!!! (not i-VTEC YO!!!!!) works.

The following is an interpretation of what is happening in my mind, I haven't actually been game enough to pull about the valve train gear when my mechanic had my heads off to adjust the tappets =)

Anyways, low speed (or "normal") profile cam lobes should be running directly over the lifters whilst the high-speed (MIVEC) cam lobes are running in a gap with a follower that is linked to the lifter by a solenoid. The MIVEC lobes would only come into effect when the MIVEC solenoid is activated and the MIVEC followers are linked to the lifters.

So in effect, a camshaft grinder has two sets of lobes to grind on each camshaft, the camshafts alone would cost more, but it would take double the time to grind as well. (Thank god for robotics) =)

And honestly, if you were replacing all the camshafts, you should replace all valvetrain running gear, unless you know eith that the components are relatively new and they suit the application.

Hello!!

How are you all! Some interesting reading here!

Is there any possiblity of the new cams, plenum & throttle body replacement / upgrades to be shipped to the UK when they are ready?