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I thought it was 4 on reds, 6 on greens and 8 on fullsPHIL069 wrote:I was sure I had 12 points not 8
Yep! Statistics are proven facts.Daniel2019 wrote: You only notice the wanker hoons on Ps because, well, theyre doing crap that makes them stand out. It would be very interesting to see some stats on percentages of P platers vs Full license holders who get done for speeding/reckless driving, etc. Maybe Im wrong and you could very well be correct, it just seems that people seem to notice all the dickhead P platers, but not the ones driving properly. Cops hate P platers, too.. its a fact of life
Full license holders also face less severe penalties than P platers down here in NSW. i.e. ANY speeding offence is a loss of license for a P plater (we have 4 points but speeding = minimum 3 months license suspension, even if its within 5-10km of the speed limit) while a full license holder can cop as little as a single demerit point loss, out of their 8 maximum points. So the risk is much much lower for a full license holder in terms of breaking the law when compared to a P plater (such as myself - I basically refuse to speed as some of the NSW boys know from our cruises
As for elderly people, it may not necessarily be simply "age" affecting driving. Things like vision affect it mostly. Although, age does contribute to these so I guess it kinda does contribute to accidents too so youre kinda correct with that in a way. It depends on the person, and their physical and mental capabilities and condition.
Id be interested in seeing some proper statistics on this. Although its hard to determine some things. For example, if a P plater crashes, is it because theyre inexperienced? Vehicle fault? Because they were "hooning"? Someone elses fault? etc. Is there a definite way to classify these?phunkydude wrote:Yep! Statistics are proven facts.Daniel2019 wrote: You only notice the wanker hoons on Ps because, well, theyre doing crap that makes them stand out. It would be very interesting to see some stats on percentages of P platers vs Full license holders who get done for speeding/reckless driving, etc. Maybe Im wrong and you could very well be correct, it just seems that people seem to notice all the dickhead P platers, but not the ones driving properly. Cops hate P platers, too.. its a fact of life
Full license holders also face less severe penalties than P platers down here in NSW. i.e. ANY speeding offence is a loss of license for a P plater (we have 4 points but speeding = minimum 3 months license suspension, even if its within 5-10km of the speed limit) while a full license holder can cop as little as a single demerit point loss, out of their 8 maximum points. So the risk is much much lower for a full license holder in terms of breaking the law when compared to a P plater (such as myself - I basically refuse to speed as some of the NSW boys know from our cruises
As for elderly people, it may not necessarily be simply "age" affecting driving. Things like vision affect it mostly. Although, age does contribute to these so I guess it kinda does contribute to accidents too so youre kinda correct with that in a way. It depends on the person, and their physical and mental capabilities and condition.
Laws and penalties are based on generalization of the stats' results to achieve maximum effectiveness.
No one can deny that majority involved in fatal crashes due to speeding are from sub-21s youngster group.
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PHIL069 wrote:aza013 wrote:Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
Found an extraction of research report that pretty much answers your question.Daniel2019 wrote: Id be interested in seeing some proper statistics on this. Although its hard to determine some things. For example, if a P plater crashes, is it because theyre inexperienced? Vehicle fault? Because they were "hooning"? Someone elses fault? etc. Is there a definite way to classify these?
Obviously if its like 50% of fatal crashes involve P platers then theres an issue, but what causes these crashes? Lack of driver knowledge because of inexperience, or were they simply being reckless because theyre young and stupid?
Also; this is kinda getting off topic; see here http://ftoaustralia.com/v3/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=26380 to continue this convo. I feel bad for hijacking this thread
Deadset, you suck at computersDaniel2019 wrote:Was getting off topic in the other thread, we kinda hijacked it
Continue here!
I only did it to try and save you from having to do itBennoz wrote:Deadset, you suck at computersDaniel2019 wrote:Was getting off topic in the other thread, we kinda hijacked it
Continue here!
Let me cut & merge the threads
There we go, then. Hey Taz you were rightphunkydude wrote:Found an extraction of research report that pretty much answers your question.Daniel2019 wrote: Id be interested in seeing some proper statistics on this. Although its hard to determine some things. For example, if a P plater crashes, is it because theyre inexperienced? Vehicle fault? Because they were "hooning"? Someone elses fault? etc. Is there a definite way to classify these?
Obviously if its like 50% of fatal crashes involve P platers then theres an issue, but what causes these crashes? Lack of driver knowledge because of inexperience, or were they simply being reckless because theyre young and stupid?
Also; this is kinda getting off topic; see here http://ftoaustralia.com/v3/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=26380 to continue this convo. I feel bad for hijacking this thread
http://www.aifs.gov.au/institute/pubs/r ... uction.pdf
And if you bother to read the whole report here,
http://www.aifs.gov.au/institute/pubs/r ... port12.pdf
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Stats database here, (with options to manipulate variables-age group, etc.)
http://www.bitre.gov.au/statistics/safe ... abase.aspx
Nope.bjk wrote:I wonder, given that there is a steady decline in deaths after getting ones p-plates, whether at some stage they'll just max out the independent driving age to like 25 or something.
Stupid revenue. That being said, less driver fatalities mean less burden on the hospital system. not a chance it would outweigh everything else though. maybe monitored driving as Taz suggested will eventually become an option. not the same as actual supervision, but imagine having a virtual police officer as a backseat passenger. if they could make it nonintrusive enough anyway.Astron_Boy wrote:Nope.bjk wrote:I wonder, given that there is a steady decline in deaths after getting ones p-plates, whether at some stage they'll just max out the independent driving age to like 25 or something.
Government would lose a tonne of revenue if they did that.
Both from young enthusiastic P platers getting their licence, and then losing it, shortly after.
And to the insurance companies making a nice profit for the same car, same living conditions as Joe 45yr old living next door.
Fact is also, there isn't a well enough planned mass transit system to cope with the extra strain of people aged 17-25 who would normally have a licence.
In NSW with the red and green P plates, the logic is that having the speed cap, one can become better accustomed to speeds that they could cope with.
Really? 90kph in a 60kph zone perhaps...
Working as intended!
Revenue FTW.
