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Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2009 10:41 am**

Ive got some of those mods already. I only listed the ones that would affect power (not my handling mods). Have front and rear slotted rotors, lowering springs and aftermarket shocks. Have a set of camber adjustable strut tops (but havent fitted these yet) . Car comes stock with front and rear strut braces. Tried to put my Cusco Lower strut brace back on after compliance but it gets fowled by the RPW extractors. Have got decent directional tyres on already and have SSR lightweight rims.

So far im thinking throttle body, engine internals and fuel pressure maybe. Not really into the weight reduction thing.

Tell me, does anyone know if those funky insulating gaskets that RPW produce have any effect.

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2009 12:10 pm**

Might give you a half a horses power..

I'd pull the intake off, get the throttle body out to 65mm, match it to the plenum, port the plenum & match it to the lower section of the intake. You'll get some more horsies there.

Don't forget too, comparing dyno results on different dyno's on different days is like comparing apples & oranges. On a stinking hot summer day you could see up to 10kws differeence.

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2009 4:26 pm**

Dstocks, that's a mighty impressive power figure! Definitly something to be proud of. Are you able to fill up some jerry cans with 98 octane and get your car tuned specifically for it? Might get you some more ponies. Before you do anything next, seriously consider some of the magnacor leads. Believe it or not but after I chucked these on the fto, I noticed a bit of difference (some may disagree with this)

What's best of all about your power curve is that it's so linear. Even at the mivec point. If you compare this to a lot of honda's right when VTEC YO!!!!! (*~dreamy~*) kicks there's a significant dip. Very nice!

BTW, your thread has made me miss my fto more than ever now

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2009 7:39 pm**

dstocks wrote:
just a couple of questions..

-did you get your car dynoed when it was fully stock? is so how much KW did you get?
No, I never did get a dyno run when fully stock. I believe that a fully stock FTO gets about 100KW at the wheels. In my case, with the air and exhaust mods, I was getting 120kW before the haltech was fitted. Thats all I have to go off.

-you said the Aero is tuned differently from a standard Version R (Hence the different Power Density raio in the stats) and its tuned more lke a porsche. so which one has more power? the standard Version R or the Aero series because i thought they had the same power
Well im only speculating really. When you look at the stats:

http://www.completefto.com.au/CompleteFTO.asp?aid=454

you can see there are some differences (although looking at them now, all later model mivecs have different values). Im trying to work out why I couldnt get 18KW out of mine while Aza could (and yet im actually getting more at the wheels than Aza (especially when I started with his map - thanks Aza) if you take into account that he was running a track cat when his figures were done. All I can come up with is that the later models (maybe just the Aero) are running a different stock tune. Mine is a 1999 model, so quite late in the piece. As to being tuned like a Porche, thats what the guy at the workshop said (he had a hard time wringing the power out - 30+ runs on the Dyno. When you look at how close the green and red curves are, you can see that before the Haltech was fitted, the car was already tuned fairly well). Apparently im only getting 15KW less than some FTO turbo setups he has tuned with a Haltech.

-you got 11kw out of the haltech which is still good but aza got 18.4kw, how come he got more than you?
Hmmm, thats a curley one. Aza has had his engine ported and decked and runs a track cat when he gets his car Dyno'ed(cat with middle punched out whereas im running a high flow cat - which still has restrictions) . Having said that, Aza does not have exractors or a 2.5" system. The track cat adds 10KW straight away. It may just be that those mods lend themselves to more power with the Haltech. Aza is currently getting 135 with the Track cat (125 without). In my case, im getting 131.4, but if I put on a track cat, id be into the 140's. Additionally, I was running a mix of 95 and 98 octane fuel when I got the car tuned. This is because where I live down the coast, I am not guaranteed of getting 98 all the time. I put in a mix on purpose so that the car didnt ping itself to death if I had to fill with 95. Ive probably sacrificed a KW or 2 there. Then again, it could be that my engine has a better tune out of the box (as the stats suggest may be the case).

-last question lol howcome theres two lines one green and one red on the dyno?
One line is the before Haltech run and the other is the after haltech run. the flat curve is the air fuel ration (I think this is right) and the steep one is the power curve.

If im spouting crap feel free to correct me. Im far from an expert in this area.

yeah it makes more sense now.
thanks dstocks for the info and for helping me clear up things

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2009 7:51 pm**

dstocks wrote:
-you got 11kw out of the haltech which is still good but aza got 18.4kw, how come he got more than you?
Hmmm, thats a curley one. Aza has had his engine ported and decked and runs a track cat when he gets his car Dyno'ed(cat with middle punched out whereas im running a high flow cat - which still has restrictions) . Having said that, Aza does not have exractors or a 2.5" system. The track cat adds 10KW straight away. It may just be that those mods lend themselves to more power with the Haltech. Aza is currently getting 135 with the Track cat (125 without). In my case, im getting 131.4, but if I put on a track cat, id be into the 140's. Additionally, I was running a mix of 95 and 98 octane fuel when I got the car tuned. This is because where I live down the coast, I am not guaranteed of getting 98 all the time. I put in a mix on purpose so that the car didnt ping itself to death if I had to fill with 95. Ive probably sacrificed a KW or 2 there. Then again, it could be that my engine has a better tune out of the box (as the stats suggest may be the case).

Whats ported and decked? roughly how much kw would you get if you ported and decked your engine?
Aza told me that he does have a high folw cat and muffler.

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2009 8:23 pm**

its ported and polished.... means made to flow better basically

and awesome result dwayne

definatly go for the TB then next logical step is heads etc

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2009 12:29 am**

nice results

Im planning on similar mods but from what ive heard piggybacks arent as good(is that true?) so i wanna just chip the stock ecu and get that tuned.

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2009 12:39 am**

Stock FTO ECU's cannot be retuned, the first stage is to get a piggyback such as a Haltech Interceptor / Unichip / SMT6 or 7 / Greddy Emanage etc.

Do a search, shitload of information on them on here

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2009 7:36 pm**

thats great stuff dstocks

but after seeing that I now have to go out and get the exractors and the 2.5" system put on and as you the T/B

oh and then the UAS pipe, bigger coil packs, new leads and plugs, better fuel pump, I may even look into what Ben said about the A.I.M. port matching them.

why do you do this to me dstocks lol every time you do a mod you get me interested in doing more lol

I have to say that your car will have to go into the Auto salon car show

Posted: **Thu Jul 02, 2009 7:43 pm**

Great work dstocks (and everyone else who's been doing their bit to up the bar in FTOAustralia of late

) !!!

So dstocks and aza, do you think Interceptor tuned and fitted for $1100 is a realistic task? Between the two of you, an average of about 15 atwkw was unlocked... that's some serious BFYB and defs something i'm interested in.

Plus, i've already got the bigger TB (not fitted mind you) so it seems logical next step for me... what you guys think?

Posted: **Thu Jul 02, 2009 8:18 pm**

I reckon I could get you one installed for a grand Nick

Posted: **Thu Jul 02, 2009 9:41 pm**

Well, I bought minefor $550. I reckon I can probably get a repeat price as the guy I bought it off is a member of the club....

Posted: **Fri Jul 03, 2009 6:28 pm**

Thanks dstocks... maybe i'll ask him if he'll do me a deal tomorrow when we play soccer together

Posted: **Fri Jul 03, 2009 7:31 pm**

Just looking at your dyno sheet and I can see that your speed limiter is still active as its cutting out at aprox 194kph

the Haltech can turne that off and you may be able to get more out of it that way as well

Posted: **Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:16 pm**

Yep, he said he could do that, but only does it if specifically requested as technically its not legal.

Posted: **Sat Jul 04, 2009 4:05 am**

dstocks wrote:Ive got some of those mods already. I only listed the ones that would affect power (not my handling mods). Have front and rear slotted rotors, lowering springs and aftermarket shocks. Have a set of camber adjustable strut tops (but havent fitted these yet) . Car comes stock with front and rear strut braces. Tried to put my Cusco Lower strut brace back on after compliance but it gets fowled by the RPW extractors. Have got decent directional tyres on already and have SSR lightweight rims.

So far im thinking throttle body, engine internals and fuel pressure maybe. Not really into the weight reduction thing.

Tell me, does anyone know if those funky insulating gaskets that RPW produce have any effect.

Yep totally agree with the weight loss thing. Your pretty much scraping the bottom of the barrel with this mod.

Posted: **Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:23 am**

payaya wrote:
dstocks wrote:Ive got some of those mods already. I only listed the ones that would affect power (not my handling mods). Have front and rear slotted rotors, lowering springs and aftermarket shocks. Have a set of camber adjustable strut tops (but havent fitted these yet) . Car comes stock with front and rear strut braces. Tried to put my Cusco Lower strut brace back on after compliance but it gets fowled by the RPW extractors. Have got decent directional tyres on already and have SSR lightweight rims.

So far im thinking throttle body, engine internals and fuel pressure maybe. Not really into the weight reduction thing.

Tell me, does anyone know if those funky insulating gaskets that RPW produce have any effect.
Yep totally agree with the weight loss thing. Your pretty much scraping the bottom of the barrel with this mod.

totally disagree weight loss is one of the most effective tools to making your car quick and nimble, even though it wont affect dyno results put two cars with same KW and a couple hundred KGs difference side by side and let them rip, then tell me weight loss is scraping bottom of barrell

Posted: **Sat Jul 04, 2009 10:56 am**

I think he payaya was saying the same thing as you vipfto. I can be read both ways

Posted: **Sat Jul 04, 2009 4:12 pm**

vipfto wrote:
payaya wrote:
dstocks wrote:Ive got some of those mods already. I only listed the ones that would affect power (not my handling mods). Have front and rear slotted rotors, lowering springs and aftermarket shocks. Have a set of camber adjustable strut tops (but havent fitted these yet) . Car comes stock with front and rear strut braces. Tried to put my Cusco Lower strut brace back on after compliance but it gets fowled by the RPW extractors. Have got decent directional tyres on already and have SSR lightweight rims.

So far im thinking throttle body, engine internals and fuel pressure maybe. Not really into the weight reduction thing.

Tell me, does anyone know if those funky insulating gaskets that RPW produce have any effect.
Yep totally agree with the weight loss thing. Your pretty much scraping the bottom of the barrel with this mod.
totally disagree weight loss is one of the most effective tools to making your car quick and nimble, even though it wont affect dyno results put two cars with same KW and a couple hundred KGs difference side by side and let them rip, then tell me weight loss is scraping bottom of barrell

Stay on topic mate, we are on an FTO forum. A forum member suggested to Dstocks to consider weight loss of his FTO. Tell me what can you strip or modify in the FTO which will give you 200kgs? Tell me where you can strip weight from in an FTO ? Give me an estimated kg loss from your suggestions.

Lambos have light weight versions of their cars, they save about 100kgs from the use of extensive carbon fibre and stripped out interior and its expensive to do.

Posted: **Sat Jul 04, 2009 4:16 pm**

dstocks wrote:I think he payaya was saying the same thing as you vipfto. I can be read both ways

Nah mate, I am disagreeing with the weight loss mod. What he is trying to say to you is stip your interior, sit on the floor of your car, take off most of your exterior panels including windscreen and you will have a very nimble car. There is prob 200kgs there.

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