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Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 5:02 pm
by Criss
xSlurpee wrote:Criss wrote:aza013 wrote:Criss wrote:you guys goin crazy
its all about power
haha~btw, is there and possibility of dropping a evo9 engine?
then i can hv mevic and turbo at the same time~=]
Too easy, if you got the money for it, but i think the older 4g63's dohc from <evo8's would fit abit easier?
edit : but the amount of money spent on an evo conversion ... you could buy a new evo 8 with some spare dosh left for mods
that's gonna hurt me~
Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 6:15 pm
by yano
Bennoz wrote: Forced induction & variable valve timing dont mix...
That's only a myth. Take a look at some of the honda forums. Just goes to show what a quality built factory motor and years of tuning can achieve on stock internals. There's a a built b18c turbo VTEC YO!!!!! constantly putting out 290kws atw.
Also new evo's have mivec on both the exhaust and intake camshafts. So forced induction & variable valve time can mix, but just not suited to our motor's
Sadly our mivec motor's weren't built as tuff as the honda motor's, mivec isn't electronically controlled and finally there's been nowhere near the amount of research done into the tuning of a turbo 6a12 mivec.
Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 6:18 pm
by Bennoz
Yeah, I didn't feel the need to elaborate too much on my comment. What I said is more relevant to mid 90's motors with variable timing.
Still, if you want big, reliable power - piss it off.
I dont care if he's making 290kws, if he had proper turbo profile cams, he'd make 400.
Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 6:44 pm
by yano
Yeah you're exactly right with what you said. Oh well... Looks like I'll be hunting down a gr motor if this comes to fruition
Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:00 am
by Therapy02
yano28 wrote:Yeah you're exactly right with what you said. Oh well... Looks like I'll be hunting down a gr motor if this comes to fruition
time for me to sound like the total noob i am when it comes to cars.. but i remember seeing something on this forum about someone wanting a mivec controller.. so does that mean you could get one of those and reduce the mivecs influence and make things less crappy for turbos etc? save the hassle of finding a gr engine
or am i totally off in how things work
Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:12 am
by xSlurpee
Wont help, the car is still using the "Mitsubishi Innovative Valve timing Electronic Control system" ... the controller just changes the "mivec scream" at different RPM's
amirite?
Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:24 am
by Bennoz
Mivec controllers govern the point at which the ECU changes over to the high cams from the low cams. As discovered by a great many people in years gone by, Mitsubish got it pretty much right where the change over point is set from the factory.
Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:24 am
by aza013
Therapy02 wrote:yano28 wrote:Yeah you're exactly right with what you said. Oh well... Looks like I'll be hunting down a gr motor if this comes to fruition
time for me to sound like the total noob i am when it comes to cars.. but i remember seeing something on this forum about someone wanting a mivec controller.. so does that mean you could get one of those and reduce the mivecs influence and make things less crappy for turbos etc? save the hassle of finding a gr engine
or am i totally off in how things work
mmmm may work as I can set the mivec point to come in at what ever RPM I like, so what is to say I set it to 9900RPM and the car red lines at 8k mivec dosnt kick in
I will have to look into that.
Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:37 am
by nicholas
Lessons learnt?
There's no easy power fix. If there was, everyone would be onto it.
If you want more power, it CAN be done... but just ask Ben; it'll take a lot of time researching, planning and modifying, not to mention the money.
Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:31 pm
by craigt
the exact reson why superchargers kits are so expensive.
hey bennoz why did you give up on usin the toyota blower was it just the physicl size? or something else?
my problem is, im stuck with using the toyota blower as its what we use in our other kits. I've been looking at making the drive shaft and it seems posible to do if you asshole the air box and mount the blower there somewhere.
Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:44 pm
by Tippin
Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:57 pm
by Storm
yano28 wrote:]Yeah you're exactly right with what you said. Oh well... Looks like I'll be hunting down a gr motor if this comes to fruition
mmmm may work as I can set the mivec point to come in at what ever RPM I like, so what is to say I set it to 9900RPM and the car red lines at 8k mivec dosnt kick in
I will have to look into that.
Errmmm, would it not be a lot easier just to disconect the wire going to the MIVEC control valve and then it wouldn't kick in at all
Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:19 pm
by manofwood
craigt wrote: asshole the air box .
huh?
Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:45 pm
by I8A4RE
there is no way you can run the toyota charger down the front of the engine without removing air con, radiator, radiator fans and even then you will struggle as you even have a height restriction of the slopping bonnet.
Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:46 am
by craigt
manofwood wrote:craigt wrote: asshole the air box .
huh?
i am looking at mounting the blower on the trans mission side of the engine were the air box goes using a drive shaft across either the top of the motor or in front of the valve cover .
still trying to figure out were to mount and how to mount the blower...
damn, that was one fast supra!!!!
Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:54 am
by Bennoz
Yeah, I gave up on it cause of its size not fitting down the front, but if you've got the facility to fabricate a driveshaft to so's it sits on the gearbox side, then you'd probably be ok. I reckon you'd not only have to asshole the airbox, but relocate the batery to the boot as well (which is not a hard job as you can imagine.)
Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:09 am
by FTO-LEO
Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:38 pm
by craigt
i think an electric leaf blower would give better perfomance...oh hang on i think i can see ryobi under the paint
Re:
Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 2:04 pm
by bass_twitch
Bennoz wrote:Dont wanna pop your bubble, but the sc14 blower wont fit in the engine bay - at least without the expense of loosing air con & relocating the raditator.
I've been through this fitting process, the best fit blowers are the Vortech units mounted at the gearbox end of the motor with a long extension drive to tack onto the PS / Air con belt.
Only issue is the $3-5k retail price of the blower itself.
Alternatively I was going to cut up the intake & shoe horn either an Eaton M45 or M62 in there. A swedish Autorotor would probably also fit up along the back of the intake (granted that you cut the intake up) - but again, a pricey unit.
Most of my research is in this 6 page thread:
http://www.ftoaustralia.com/modules.php ... pic&t=5778
Really sorry to revive an Ancient thread,
But id be interested to read this thread:
http://www.ftoaustralia.com/modules.php ... pic&t=5778
Any chance of getting it back up?
Re: superchargers
Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 2:12 pm
by Dras