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Sorry Ben, but to defend the emanage boys (and my tuner says the same of Haltech lol), the Haltech piggy backs do not directly tune the ignition or the injectors, they only trick the factory ecu into reading from a different point on the factory programmed map. This is very limiting in what you can do. The emanage ultimate allows you to tune the injectors and the timing directly. Any tuner that says this is not better doesn't know how to tune it...Bennoz wrote: And to quote the bloke that tunes my car, when asked his opinion on emanage products "Emanage users are like Honda bois. Reckon they got the best on the market when in reality everytime I pull one out & replace with a Haltech, I double their power"
Gotta agree on this though, but this could just be a sh*t dyno reading. Looking at your torque graph & your power graph, it doesn't make sense that you are getting such a high torque figure & such a low power figure. These are simply calculations of each other. Actually they are both calculations of raw torque generated by the dyno. I'm suspecting that the power calculation may be wrong, or vice versa. Val you need to get the data in excel so you can do the math.Bennoz wrote:I hate to say it Val, but after the 10 odd grand you've spent on this motor, including ported & polished heads, sure the torque is good, but to only get 116 odd kws
i just realised. these heads are off the hybrid motor. so the combustion chamber was ported to be able to meet a larger 81mm bore piston? wouldnt i lost compression due to this plus the age of my block?Bennoz wrote:I hate to say it Val, but after the 10 odd grand you've spent on this motor, including ported & polished heads, sure the torque is good, but to only get 116 odd kws.... I got a 126 out of GR motor for god sake.
I'd take those cams back to RPW & shove them square up their ass.
And to quote the bloke that tunes my car, when asked his opinion on emanage products "Emanage users are like Honda bois. Reckon they got the best on the market when in reality everytime I pull one out & replace with a Haltech, I double their power"
ill go back to him during the week and ask for it. he said it could be due to low compression which would make sense? :sShane001 wrote:Gotta agree on this though, but this could just be a sh*t dyno reading. Looking at your torque graph & your power graph, it doesn't make sense that you are getting such a high torque figure & such a low power figure. These are simply calculations of each other. Actually they are both calculations of raw torque generated by the dyno. I'm suspecting that the power calculation may be wrong, or vice versa. Val you need to get the data in excel so you can do the math.Bennoz wrote:I hate to say it Val, but after the 10 odd grand you've spent on this motor, including ported & polished heads, sure the torque is good, but to only get 116 odd kws
Or take it to the drag strip and post up the official time slip
You definitely need more fuel from 150 to 180k's. Notice how the torque curve drops away as the afr leans out above 13, then jumps back up at 180 as the afr suddenly richens up.
Ask your engine builder what the final compression ratio was. Also confirm your bore and stroke, and the final capacity of the engine. This is all important info your builder should be able to tell you, if not you should be able to calculate it. Just more to learnValandis91 wrote: i just realised. these heads are off the hybrid motor. so the combustion chamber was ported to be able to meet a larger 81mm bore piston? wouldnt i lost compression due to this plus the age of my block?
Thats because the Emanage directly wires to the injectors & ignitors.... so technically its not a piggy back, we're comparing apples to oranges.Shane001 wrote:Sorry Ben, but to defend the emanage boys (and my tuner says the same of Haltech lol), the Haltech piggy backs do not directly tune the ignition or the injectors, they only trick the factory ecu into reading from a different point on the factory programmed map. This is very limiting in what you can do. The emanage ultimate allows you to tune the injectors and the timing directly. Any tuner that says this is not better doesn't know how to tune it...Bennoz wrote: And to quote the bloke that tunes my car, when asked his opinion on emanage products "Emanage users are like Honda bois. Reckon they got the best on the market when in reality everytime I pull one out & replace with a Haltech, I double their power"
10k??? Damn did not know it was that much!!!Bennoz wrote:I hate to say it Val, but after the 10 odd grand you've spent on this motor, including ported & polished heads, sure the torque is good, but to only get 116 odd kws.... I got a 126 out of GR motor for god sake.
I'd take those cams back to RPW & shove them square up their ass.
And to quote the bloke that tunes my car, when asked his opinion on emanage products "Emanage users are like Honda bois. Reckon they got the best on the market when in reality everytime I pull one out & replace with a Haltech, I double their power"
Yeah no way its 350NM+ That's really hard to get out of 2L NA even for a race motor and mega bucks it will be too hard.Delvance wrote:No way the 2L is putting out 350nm+. We're talking forced induction territory. N/a's generally won't achieve much over 100nm of torque per litre of displacement. You can simply have a look at the highest strung n/a motors to see this. Check out ferrari's and bmw m series engine or lamborghinis. They are not much over 100nm per 1L of capacity and these engines are engineered to the finest/highest output potential. 350nm+ in an fto would be a tire fryer and you can see this from the turbo'd fto's.
Dyno's don't really read your torque figure like that. Kw they read ok.
And for the vq35 torqueband in the 350z, it is pretty fat (not short). i had the 1st gen vq35de in my old v35 and it had oodles of torque off idle and it went pretty high in the rev range.
Hold on, hold on. We are not comparing apples with apples here. Bennoz yours would have been manual, correct? About 10kw difference is about right for a manual compared to an auto around those kw's.Bennoz wrote:I hate to say it Val, but after the 10 odd grand you've spent on this motor, including ported & polished heads, sure the torque is good, but to only get 116 odd kws.... I got a 126 out of GR motor for god sake.
I'd take those cams back to RPW & shove them square up their ass.
And to quote the bloke that tunes my car, when asked his opinion on emanage products "Emanage users are like Honda bois. Reckon they got the best on the market when in reality everytime I pull one out & replace with a Haltech, I double their power"
jut curios dont want to bother you asking this but since Ive read 500+ posts I already concerned and curios about you project. its a maths equation. you need torque figures to get kw and you need kw figures to work out the torque as shane001 explained previously in this thread.payaya wrote:Yeah no way its 350NM+ That's really hard to get out of 2L NA even for a race motor and mega bucks it will be too hard.Delvance wrote:No way the 2L is putting out 350nm+. We're talking forced induction territory. N/a's generally won't achieve much over 100nm of torque per litre of displacement. You can simply have a look at the highest strung n/a motors to see this. Check out ferrari's and bmw m series engine or lamborghinis. They are not much over 100nm per 1L of capacity and these engines are engineered to the finest/highest output potential. 350nm+ in an fto would be a tire fryer and you can see this from the turbo'd fto's.
Dyno's don't really read your torque figure like that. Kw they read ok.
And for the vq35 torqueband in the 350z, it is pretty fat (not short). i had the 1st gen vq35de in my old v35 and it had oodles of torque off idle and it went pretty high in the rev range.
dave from RPW and my tuner say that it might even get another 20 odd kw with a manual as this box sucks the torque out.I8A4RE wrote:Hold on, hold on. We are not comparing apples with apples here. Bennoz yours would have been manual, correct? About 10kw difference is about right for a manual compared to an auto around those kw's.Bennoz wrote:I hate to say it Val, but after the 10 odd grand you've spent on this motor, including ported & polished heads, sure the torque is good, but to only get 116 odd kws.... I got a 126 out of GR motor for god sake.
I'd take those cams back to RPW & shove them square up their ass.
And to quote the bloke that tunes my car, when asked his opinion on emanage products "Emanage users are like Honda bois. Reckon they got the best on the market when in reality everytime I pull one out & replace with a Haltech, I double their power"
haha thanks mate ive been watching your thread very closely as im keen to see what youll get from all the work youve done.SmokeSolid wrote:I respect the fanatic, impulsive and compulsive spending behavior you have. Its clear you love your FTO more than a lot of owners. Thing is most guys have a colder heads while spending money and they get a turbo engine, or they get decomp gaskets and turbo there 6a12 and use it with a moderate boost to gain what you tried to gain N/A.
If I cared about power that much I would of have gotten a Turbo engine maybe a 6a13tt with everything and f**k everybody with a 380 hp at the wheel monster and its possible. In my case Ill rather turn fast in an autocross competiton or time attack than to win in drag racing.
I read the complete 500+ posts and thank god I trusted my instincts and didn't bought RPW camshafts.
But recently my inner voice was telling me: buy the cams...buy the cams lol.
I didn't read about you getting an LSD? Your gearbox already have the stock one? If not why you don't get one?
Im really sorry for all the amazing trouble you are/where in. If I where you I will enjoy my car for a while and forget about "secret" projects.
You have balls for doing all those mods congrats.
Regards,
P.D: Why carbon,white and grey you still have to finish of the front bumper?
Why you keep the GPX decal if you have a version r spoiler
its all about the handling! the secret project will take me a few years to gather all the parts i need plus to have a bit spare cash to have to spend.