Danny's And Jeff's 6A13 turbo Conversions

Jeff · Post by **Jeff** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 5:40 pm

Yes I know the feeling.
How`s your car driving now GPXXX? Not too much torque steer?

Danny I feel honoured to be included in this ongoing thread. It was a lot of your ideas and advice that got me into the 6A13 plus turbo project.

I was down at the workshop today, it is almost back in one piece, still awaiting the exhaust manifold plate so they can start manufacturing the turbo manifolds. I took one picture of the engine bay and have uploaded it to
the FTO gallery. I don`t know when Stephen will get arround to posting it.
Still a lot to do, but the mechanic was stating once they get the plates hopefully only one more week. ( I think I see a pig flying.)

I have a website up for my band, but will soon organise a web page for the FTO project. I will post a lot more photo`s there, as well as dyno results and 1/4 mile times when up and running.

Jeff

dannyboyau · Post by **dannyboyau** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 1:47 am

Jeff wrote:I was down at the workshop today, it is almost back in one piece, still awaiting the exhaust manifold plate so they can start manufacturing the turbo manifolds. I took one picture of the engine bay and have uploaded it to
the FTO gallery. I don`t know when Stephen will get arround to posting it.
Still a lot to do, but the mechanic was stating once they get the plates hopefully only one more week. ( I think I see a pig flying.)

You should have let me know as i had mine laser cut and could have got them cut here and sent over, You wouldnt have had to pay for the programing into the computer then.

Cant wait to see a few pics and read your impressions of the torque steer

Jeff · Post by **Jeff** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 11:46 am

Thanks Danny,
But too late now. Thanks for the offer.

By the way what plugs are you running? I have been told that with the turbo that it goes through plugs a lot quicker and not to use platinun, but use a special plug that is cheaper ( $6 each) and change them every 5k with a service.
I am certainly not looking foward to changing my plugs every 5k
Jeff

Jeff · Post by **Jeff** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 11:50 am

Have just started a web page for my FTO project.
I plan to have many useful things as well as photos, timeslips and dyno charts.
For the moment I just put it up so all is on it is 2 basic pics showing the engine bay with the 6A13 in before the turbo.

Here is the link http://www.uq.net.au/whocares/FTO.html

This is a test to make sure it all works.

let me know if it works

Jeff

G_A_V · Post by **G_A_V** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 1:22 pm

platnium and irridium plugs should last longer, but if you get smaller electrodes they will go quicker but your car will also perform better. you prob should find the equal of the 2

Jeff · Post by **Jeff** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 9:28 pm

Hi Gav,
I am running irridium plugs at the moment. But I have been told that they will not last as long with the turbo. So to save they recomend a different/cheaper plug which you change every 5k.
I would really like feedback from all the turbo owners about this.
Thanks Danny,GPXXX,Scracey,Al,etc.
Jeff

jonowong · Post by **jonowong** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 12:41 am

Jeff: Your engine bay looks very messy, is that the way its going to stay?

dannyboy: i was wondering, did you do all the mechanical work yourself?

Jono · Post by **Jono** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 1:35 am

yeah... it may be messy, but theres a monster lurking under the mess..

dannyboyau · Post by **dannyboyau** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 2:51 am

jonowong wrote:Jeff: Your engine bay looks very messy, is that the way its going to stay?

Its not messy

It is a photo of the engine in with no turbo and the wiring harness not properly connected yet, the radiator is out and they would probably be in the process of manufacturing the manifolds and intercooler plumbing. It is still a long way from finished.

Jonowong apology please

jonowong wrote: dannyboy: i was wondering, did you do all the mechanical work yourself?

With mine i did most of the spanner work, my good friend Ray from Full throttle Performance here in Perth designed it and was done in his workshop, and me mate Wayne ( he is the one with the monster turbo V8 Supra and works for Ray), built the exhaust manifolds and wired it up. Then barrie at Barries Dyno tuned it up to the 400 Hp, but we started gettin a shudder and couldn't go much further. It was later found to be the clutch.

dannyboyau · Post by **dannyboyau** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 3:00 am

Jeff wrote:Hi Gav,
I am running irridium plugs at the moment. But I have been told that they will not last as long with the turbo. So to save they recomend a different/cheaper plug which you change every 5k.
I would really like feedback from all the turbo owners about this.
Thanks Danny,GPXXX,Scracey,Al,etc.
Jeff

Hi Jeff i still havent made up my mind on this one, I was running the irridiums in my first 6A13 but they got a bit damaged when i melted the piston in it. So i just put the cheaper normal NGKs in from then on. I have my manifold off quite often doing something with the engine, so to change spark plugs is no big deal. I will do some test at some stage and see if there is any noticable performance differance. But dont hold your breath for these dyno tests, it will be when i got the time and barrie has too.

Jeff · Post by **Jeff** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:58 pm

Hi Guys,
Yes the engine bay is a total brothel at the moment.
I was just showing the 6A13 is in at the moment. It is still only half finished.
I have updated the web site and added a few little things but no further pictures yet. Feel free to have a look and any constructive critisism is welcome. www.uq.net.au/whocares/FTO.html
Hopefully the car will be on the road soon then I will start posting the real interesting stuff. Dyno`s 1/4 miles etc.
Jeff

akumi · Post by **akumi** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 6:33 pm

I can't wait, this sounds soooo exciting but too bad you guys not in victoria!!!

borgan · Post by **borgan** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 6:45 pm

Hi danny, gotta say I'm really impressed with your setup.
The turbos you sold me have been modified and are on the car now. 378hp & 383Lb/ft all at .9 bar.
Still more to come (1.25 bar) but hindered by ecu limits & need to strengten auto g'box. Level Ten in the states have finally sourced the bits for box that should hold 650hp so that should be in by the end of the year.
That leaves choosing a standalone ecu. How do you rate the wolf ecu? Is it easy to map? Is the ride smooth? Seems to be less mapping points than others on the market but is considerably cheaper!!! Were many modifications to the sensors needed & are you able to supply a harness (would save a lot of time)?
Looking at your install I wish I had gone for the single turbo option. You've been very smart by moving intake to o/s. Less heat issues, wider choice of intercooler & more space. Any further power hikes are going to be a lot easier for you. If I want more power I'm going to have to ditch what I've got & go single turbo.

dannyboyau · Post by **dannyboyau** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 11:01 pm

borgan wrote:Hi danny, gotta say I'm really impressed with your setup.
The turbos you sold me have been modified and are on the car now. 378hp & 383Lb/ft all at .9 bar. .

Thats great to here, i was wondering recently if you had got them back yet. Gee that is good power output for those little babies, there would be no lag at all, cant wait to see the quarter mile times, there is a guy here in the west ( ellusion feel free to comment or ask questions ) currently interested in doing the 6A13 conversion to his FTO and wants to keep it twin turbo. Are those figures at the wheels or at the flywheel. Wheels I hope

borgan wrote:Still more to come (1.25 bar) but hindered by ecu limits & need to strengten auto g'box. Level Ten in the states have finally sourced the bits for box that should hold 650hp so that should be in by the end of the year. .

Excellant news then for your auto, i wish mine was an auto sometimes, but for daily driving the manual is fun, but i will probably sacrifice somewhere between .5 to 1 second on the quarter with the manual.

borgan wrote:That leaves choosing a standalone ecu. How do you rate the wolf ecu? Is it easy to map? Is the ride smooth? Seems to be less mapping points than others on the market but is considerably cheaper!!! Were many modifications to the sensors needed & are you able to supply a harness (would save a lot of time)?.

I am currently looking into upgrading my ECU, being as this is a public forum i will refrain from posting my thoughts about the wolf version 4 ECU. How ever if you really want to get a wolf ECU in a few months i would be able to sell you one with a harness for the 6A13 and maps on tuned for the 6A13 with a GT30 turbo and normal injectors as well as with 750cc injectors, this map wpould have to be touched up on the dyno but would be good enough to drive with. Or if you are not in to much of a hurry i when i upgrade mine i could make a duplicate harness for that computer and send it over with a copy of my maps on it.

borgan wrote:Looking at your install I wish I had gone for the single turbo option. You've been very smart by moving intake to o/s. Less heat issues, wider choice of intercooler & more space. Any further power hikes are going to be a lot easier for you. If I want more power I'm going to have to ditch what I've got & go single turbo.

I think you could still keep it twin turbo but just upgrade to some after market garrett turbos ( i would consider twin GT28's or GT32's then it would be a real monster, a bit of lag but huge potential ), you would need to get custom made exhaust manifolds, but that should be easy. My research is telling me that twin turbo's are better than one big single for power but then also you need to consider cooling issues, which richard batty would understand as he has had problems with cooling on his twin turbo setup. Ceramic coating is the go, i highly recommend it. Yes the moving of the throttle body seemed very sensible thing to do when ray suggested so i gave him the go ahead. We are currently building a better inlet manifold with bigger plenum and will be trying to use the original 6A13 throttle body. Once this is done and tested will get some more cast ( if there is sufficent interest )from the original and make them availabe.

dannyboyau · Post by **dannyboyau** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 11:12 pm

hey borgan just noticed this is your first post, great to have you aboard, just need to try and get richard batty posting on this thread as well. Just recently had some interesting posts aimed at me, so it has been very nice to see your post.

Karma, or the lord works in mysterious ways

So for the FTO australian members here is a link to the UK VR4 website which Borgan is a member of and where i have sold a couple of items for the 6A13 engine to a few of there members.

http://www.clubvr4.com/forum/

Some interesting reading for those interested in doing the 6A13 conversion as Richard batty ( who converted his FTO to a 6A13 Twin Turbo ) is a very active member. There is more and more information about the 6A13 engine slowly getting out and with time we hope to develop some very good perforance upgrades for it. Enjoy folks

dannyboyau · Post by **dannyboyau** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 11:19 pm

Jeff wrote:Hi Guys,
Yes the engine bay is a total brothel at the moment.
I was just showing the 6A13 is in at the moment. It is still only half finished.
I have updated the web site and added a few little things but no further pictures yet. Feel free to have a look and any constructive critisism is welcome. www.uq.net.au/whocares/FTO.html
Hopefully the car will be on the road soon then I will start posting the real interesting stuff. Dyno`s 1/4 miles etc.
Jeff

Hi Jeff

just had a look at your site, looking good, one day i should try and do one for mine. Thanks very much for the kind words, i feel very honored.

I will always try and help anyone if i can. It is good Karma

RichardB · Post by **RichardB** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 12:26 am

All these people copying my idea

dannyboyau · Post by **dannyboyau** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 1:09 am

I would have to argue that one

I got the idea from David at RPW in late 2001 or early 2002

Oh and i was the very first person that i know of outside of Japan to complete the 6A13 conversion Richard

Sorry mate you might have started just before me but i wasn't copying your idea, it all came from a comment David made about there being a 6A13 TT engine that looked like it might fit into an FTO

I would love someone to prove me wrong on this as that would add another to our little 6A13 FTO club

Anyway mate we are sounding like little school kids

Welcome aboard richard and i hope to hear a lot more from you and more often as i am sure that all those that are interested in doing this conversion would like to here all of our opionions on this conversion and here the differant problems we have encountered and the differant soloutions we used.

Please if anyone else in the world is doing this conversion please make yourself known.

RichardB · Post by **RichardB** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 4:48 am

So what are you doing about tracktion? I just cant seem to stop the wheels spinning at the moment. Been trying to fit racelogic traction control for a couple of weeks with no joy. Off down there tomorrow for them to take a look at the car.

dannyboyau · Post by **dannyboyau** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 9:22 pm

looking at getting a set of toyo RA-1's they are supposed to be good aparently the fastest street FWD in Australia is using them.

Mine spins when ever i want it too and when i don't

But i just feather the throttle and try and keep traction.

Be interesting to see how the traction control performs then i might consider it too

I guess with the traction problems you havent taken it down the strip yet.

Also I am considering going 4WD eventually