Electric Air Induction .!~

Beme007 · Post by **Beme007** » Thu Jul 15, 2004 4:57 pm

http://www.electricsupercharger.com/

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motor ... 556213.htm

Just wondering will those stuff work ?

Sound too magic to me ..!~~

Just want to get advice from you guys.

FTO338 · Post by **FTO338** » Thu Jul 15, 2004 6:20 pm

I think thereâ€™s already few different variation of this type of device been posted here.

And most of them have a negative result or comment about them. Don't take it the wrong way, but you find those posts in the â€œGibberish Cornerâ€

Beme007 · Post by **Beme007** » Thu Jul 15, 2004 8:09 pm

The one that I find in gibberish corner is that one DIY induction Joke that had been post from someone .....

just wondering would this thing will ever work or not ?

paladin · Post by **paladin** » Thu Jul 15, 2004 9:49 pm

factual explanation

no car carried/ran electric fan can improve car intake, in fact, msot slow it down because they create a blockage in the intake.

basicly a fan powerful enoguth would be to massive or to power comsuming to effectivly boosta cars power.

more info?

a fairly good exp can be found at www.autospeed.com.au search for the twinturbo zet and what they ahve to say about it

Foe · Post by **Foe** » Fri Jul 16, 2004 4:02 pm

This could be a stupid question so tell me why this wouldnt work. Have a small air compressor attached to the intake (like nos) that compresses air when your just driving normally or when you choose. Then when your in a drag or whatever using the reserve of that compressed air in the ten seconds or so that it lasts? I mean there would be obviese power drain when the compressor is on but on normal driving who cares! Then you could use the power that you lost when it counts??

Anyone know why this is a no go?

ruchi · Post by **ruchi** » Fri Jul 16, 2004 4:26 pm

I couldn't be stuffed doing the sums, but it would come down to simple maths.

Air flow is normally measured in CFM (cubic feet per minute) and pressue in PSI (pounds of force per square inch). For this to prove viable it would need to have a high enough air flow to be able to increase the pressure within the air intake hose, taking into account the constant reduction in pressure being caused by the engine sucking air out of the intake hose. You would need to know the volume of the intake hose and the amount of air the engine requires at a given RPM range to be able to calculate it properly. In short, though, it would have to be pushing a sh*t load of air for any benefit to be gained.

Foe · Post by **Foe** » Fri Jul 16, 2004 4:36 pm

Wouldn't the temperature of the expanding air help at least? And if it didnt have to pass through the air filter and just spray straight into the inlet it would have to help.

I guess the volume of the air required would mean the compressor would have to be heavier then the gain. Sounds cool though, like self sustaining nos

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Foe · Post by **Foe** » Fri Jul 16, 2004 4:51 pm

Just checking oxygen tanks as I dont know the first thing about it but you can get a 640L tank that weighs 5 kilos. If the car sucks in 100 litres a second normally thats about 4 seconds of %150 more oxygen. Haha is there any validity to what I just said?

ruchi · Post by **ruchi** » Fri Jul 16, 2004 5:35 pm

Foe wrote:And if it didnt have to pass through the air filter and just spray straight into the inlet it would have to help.

Unless you have a death wish for your engine you still need to use an air filter.

I'm guessing here so I could be wrong, but I would suggest that intimitent bursts of increased air flow will have little to no impact on the performance of the FTO. Why? because the FTO ECU's learns over time and ignores any changes that do not last. For example, if you change the RON of your fuel it can take the ECU over 100kms before it adjusts. Likewise those who installed the new UAS induction system had to reset their ECU to get the FTO to adapt to the new improved air flow.

So if you had a fan device or oxygen tanks (or whatever) that were only used for a burst of power, the ECU would ignore this deviation in air flow, instead using the settings it had averaged out over the last 100kms.

Make sense?

Foe · Post by **Foe** » Fri Jul 16, 2004 5:44 pm

How does the ecu cope with nos then......Another controller? Also the compressor would have a air filter making it possible to do the above.

FTO338 · Post by **FTO338** » Fri Jul 16, 2004 5:47 pm

Foe wrote:How does the ecu cope with nos then......Another controller?

I've got a simple question for you, do you know what NOS is, & how it work?

Foe · Post by **Foe** » Fri Jul 16, 2004 6:05 pm

I can use the net

And why do you ask do you know the answer to my question??

The bottle pressure feeds super cool liquid N2O to a nitrous solenoid via a high-pressure stainless steel braided hose. Meanwhile, fuel is diverted from the engine fuel line to a fuel solenoid. Solenoids are electrically-operated valves that allow for the passage of fuel and nitrous through either atomizing plates or nozzles once the nitrous system has been armed or activated. Upon activation, the nitrous is then introduced to the intake port, either through nozzles that mix oxygen-rich liquid with the requisite quantity of fuel or via a plate system. A plate system is usually fitted aft of a throttle body or sandwiched between manifold sections or carburetors and squirts nitrous through a spray bar in the plate. The basic concept behind how nitrous oxide works is very simple. More usable oxygen + fuel = more HP. Any nitrous system (NOS, NX, Nitrous Works, Compucar,Venom, Zex) all use the basic concept of injecting nitous oxide into the air stream and adding approriate fuel levels.

FTO338 · Post by **FTO338** » Fri Jul 16, 2004 6:15 pm

The reason i ask, cause lots of people just talk about NOS, but have no idea what it do, how it works, & the most important thing, the after effect on your engine. It doesn't give you extra power, it just makes the engine reach its peak power faster.

What you got there is correct for basic concept, but unless you want to blow your engine out, or gearbox (which i've seen some many people done it) then i wouldn't suggest NOS to anyone.

I've melted pistons & cams on a highly tuned 1JZE cause of NOS, so I don't want people do the same stupid mistake i did.

paladin · Post by **paladin** » Fri Jul 16, 2004 10:54 pm

stright adn simple...

nos = high risk on engine unless specia computer managment systems and afty mesures are used
otherwse a engine like an FTO's would pop mighty quick with a decent shot of nos t the wrong rpm etc

a electric fan may well push some air pressure into the car... sure... bu the fact is the vacume in the car and the amount beign sucked in normally will be much grater then the fan's and the fan ends up being a blockage rather then an asistance as air has to slow dowwn to pass it.

the only way to get around this is to use a MASSIVE fan or a fan that requires so much power, running it on your car would suck up more power then it produces

quick_dry · Post by **quick_dry** » Sun Jul 18, 2004 12:39 pm

the melted pistons sounds more like your nitrous wasn't setup to properly fuel and you went way lean... wet or dry setup?

on topic: forget the silly electric fan thingy, they don't flow enough, and to make those units do anything near what they claim, you'd be running more power than your alternator could supply. waste of money IMO

Beme007 · Post by **Beme007** » Sun Jul 18, 2004 1:27 pm

thanks for all the info .
now I know that electric thingy will never work ..

Post by **smorison** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 8:49 am

the only reason why this sort of thing doesn't work is the electrical drian required to actually run a fan big enough.

many car companies are looking into electronic supercharging their cars to reduce engine size and help with power on hybrid cars. This actually works by having a seperate battery (or battery bank in the case of a hybrid car) and running at anywhere from 100-200amps an electronic supercharger at low RPM. it is physically (electronic wise) seperated from the other circuits on the car to prevent that sort of power drain from nuking everything. it only works for short periods to help increase low down torque / power.

the lightweight versions of this sold on ebay and the net are for suckers!