Make the wheels sit outwards more..?

fto12345 · Post by **fto12345** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 11:57 am

Hello,

I don't know if this is possible, but does any one know if it's possible to move the wheels sit outwards more?

Is there any thing you can put inbetween the wheel and the disk?
So that the wheels sit more out towards the guards?

Please help if you know any thing about this..

Thank you very much!

Not urgent but just very curiouse to know!

GPXXX · Post by **GPXXX** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 1:02 pm

you have 3 possible solutions:

1. get floating wheel spacers that is fitted between the hub and the wheel - they do the job but not very reliable and very dangerous!

2. get bolt-on wheel spacers that is bolted onto the wheel studs (and the rim is bolted onto the spacer itself)

3. get a rim with less offset or wider width

at this point i must stress that in most states, using wheel spacers are illegal as far as I'm aware...

hope that helps...

fto12345 · Post by **fto12345** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 1:31 pm

Well, at this stage then i would have to go for option 2.

Although I'm not quite sure what the differences are between option 1 and 2.

But why are they illegal? Too dangerous? doesn't take enough weight?
Etc..?

GPXXX · Post by **GPXXX** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 2:04 pm

option 1 are 'floating' spacers, meaning they are held by the studs on the hub, not bolted on like opt 2.

and to make a long story short, yes they are dangerous because of imbalanced weight distribution (the studs may snap off due to the weight of the car instead of the bore on the hub)

oh and also because RTA says so...

Adriano · Post by **Adriano** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 6:15 pm

option 1

costs 30$

option 2

costs around 300$ i think?

ruchi · Post by **ruchi** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 6:22 pm

you might also want to read the fine print in your insurance policy before changing the offset or track width.

fto12345 · Post by **fto12345** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 6:25 pm

Hey adriano,

Thanks for that,

But where do you get them from?

Any web sites you can provide?

Thank you,

ruchi · Post by **ruchi** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 6:34 pm

another thing to be aware of is that your car won't be as responsive in corners as your turning circle will increase.

fto12345 · Post by **fto12345** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 6:37 pm

Why would your turning cirlcle be increased?

Can't you get one to match your hub size?
Or is there only one size you can get?

ruchi · Post by **ruchi** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 8:21 pm

by making the wheel sit out more you are increasing the size of the radius, in turn making the turning circle bigger, which makes your cornering responsiveness less.

Think of it this way, when turning a corner, the inside wheel travels less distance and turns faster while the outside wheel travels a longer distance and takes longer to complete the turn. By making the wheel sit out more, the outside wheel, when cornering, is now even further out, meaning it has to travel even more distance and it will take even longer for that outside wheel to complete the corner. Make sense?

fto12345 · Post by **fto12345** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 10:57 am

Hi ruchi,

Not really but I'll take your word for it!

It's like saying a wider car responds less around corners than the narrower car...
That is essentially what you are saying?

Is that right?
I didn't think it was!!

When your turning, one side of the wheel is now closer to the curve and the other further away...so doesn't it offset each other sort of thing?

Oh well...you learn some thing new every day!

Thanks,

Btw, no one has really told me where to get these.

ruchi · Post by **ruchi** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 12:04 pm

fto12345 wrote:It's like saying a wider car responds less around corners than the narrower car...
That is essentially what you are saying?

Sort of...

In simple terms, the two primary factors that determine the size of the turning circle are the distance between the left wheels and the right wheels (track) and the distance between the front wheels and the rear wheels (wheelbase). This is why many large vehicles such as trucks and buses have their wheels further in the body of the vehicle rather than at the extreme front and extreme rear.

So it's not so much the size of the car, but the size of the distance between the wheels that determines how tightly a vehicle can corner.

As they say, a picture is worth a 1,000 words... (sorry it's not up to Robb's standards

)

From the picture above you can see that the outside wheel of the car with the wheels that sit out more has a larger radius / distance to travel, therefore it cannot turn as quickly. Likewise the path that the car takes is also slightly different. The car with the narrower track is following a path between the blue and green lines whereas the car with the wider track is turning along an axis that is further out, close to the green line.

Does this make it a little clearer?

Adriano · Post by **Adriano** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 12:27 pm

fto12345 the 30$ one u can get from www.flyn.com.au
the expensive one is an eibach spacer, any suspension place should be able to get it for u.... i saw one in a HOT4's magazine 4 months ago...

ed · Post by ed » Thu Jun 17, 2004 1:20 pm

i was also thinking of placing a wheel spacer before, because my inner tire is rubbing against the suspension, but the wheel shop ( somewhere near the way to airport really big one, cant remember the name) says its illegal and dangerous, but he still qoute me for $150, for allignment and spacers. i thought about it and decided not to have it. i dont wanna die young!

i just changed my driving style, i used turn sharply before, i guess thats the reason why its rubbing. my tire size is 205/50/r16

ruchi · Post by **ruchi** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 1:36 pm

You've got the standard tyre/rim combo so something is wrong if it is rubbing. Has the car been involved in an accident where things may have got bent?

Jeff · Post by **Jeff** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 8:25 pm

After I put on my 17 x 8 `s the wheels just fit inside my rims. If they were out any further they would be illegal
Jeff

scracy · Post by **scracy** » Sat Jun 19, 2004 11:26 am

In victoria you are permitted to increase the front track width by no more than 25mm provided it isnt done with wheel spacers and doesnt extend past the wheel arch and clears all body parts and suspension components at full lock.For the rear the figure is 50mm and same rules apply.Personally dont do it as it WILL lead to wheel bearing problems because effectively your putting more load on them by increasing the track width.

HEK-71Q · Post by **HEK-71Q** » Sun Jun 20, 2004 4:57 am

i got the bolt ons on my car.... around 20mms???
u cab get them at just jap or other similar places...prices depends on the width of the spacers....5 mms is around $10 when my mate bought 1 for his silvia at an import spares shop...

D-TRAIN · Post by **D-TRAIN** » Sun Jun 20, 2004 11:44 am

Yeah I've been told wheel spacers are illegal as well. But I'm not sure what the finer details of the rule is.

I was once considering getting wheel spacers for my OZ Racing Superleggeras and actually spoke to OZ Racing down in Melbourne. They actually have spacers manufactured for your Porsches and BMWs. But alas, no FTOs. So, I don't how "illegal" they are if that's the case.

So, I'm guessing if there's some sort of engineer certification, it's all good? But you would want one as well when you life is dependent on it!!

But HEKTIQ, 20mm sounds a lot. What offset were those rims??