6a13TT vs 6A12T vs Supercharging vs V8 vs Everything else

sublime19 · Post by **sublime19** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:57 am

First of all, I've never done anything hands on to my car. But that's besides the point - Sure I'm basing my comments on what I've read and heard but is it not true that:

You have a much higher chance of successfully pulling off a conversion without ongoing problems than turbo'ing 6a12?

I'm not saying you can't do it, when I said "EASIER", I meant it's more efficient to do a conversion cos you have a higher chance of pulling it off. Just because you got yours right doesn't mean everybody else will.

If you have the money for it, at least you know exactly what it is that you have to do with a much less chance of something going wrong and in the end more potential to pull more power?

Do I need to have done this myself to say any of that?

Honestly, the thing that sparked me off is the way you completely disregard everybody's opinion and start flaming them. When koolio posted his comment, you over reacted way too much. Then again, in the post which you started with "Well this thread has got quite heated", you're correcting people who know far more about it than you ever will.

And as for cleaning up the thread - The first sh*t you need to cut out is the way you talk to people. Didn't you get banned from these very forums for doing the same thing couple of years back?

I don't think you're in any position to clean up anything unless you cut yourself out of the thread altogether. Seriously, pull your head out of your own ass and have some respect when you talk to people instead of blowing up at them.

EDIT:
And pete_gpx's comment was fkn idiotic. The way he wrote is posts is exactly what we don't need on these forums, he's sparking arguements and you're egging him on? Yea, great job you're doing.

Post by **I8A4RE** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:49 am

bahahahah, so easy.
Thats right subbie i really need your approval. Your a clown

Your one to talk, the amount of rude comments you have made is disgusting so i wouldnt be critising other people, if i was you.

sublime19 · Post by **sublime19** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:13 am

I share my opinions, if I don't like something I say it outright but I give my reasons, I don't go around abusing people

Post by **I8A4RE** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:28 am

sublime19 wrote:I share my opinions, if I don't like something I say it outright but I give my reasons, I don't go around abusing people

Who have i abused? Read back through the thread

The only thing that i have said that could even be close to being called abusive was me telling Mr C to pull his head out of bens ass and i can say stuff like that to him cause we know each other and say sh*t like to each other all the time. Mr C knows i was only joking and was hardly offended by it.

mr-charisma · Post by **mr-charisma** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:55 am

I8A4RE wrote:
sublime19 wrote:I share my opinions, if I don't like something I say it outright but I give my reasons, I don't go around abusing people
Who have i abused? Read back through the thread

The only thing that i have said that could even be close to being called abusive was me telling Mr C to pull his head out of bens ass and i can say stuff like that to him cause we know each other and say sh*t like to each other all the time. Mr C knows i was only joking and was hardly offended by it.

haha .. I was crying on the inside mate

Post by **aza013** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 2:56 pm

I8A4RE & sublime19 do you two need a room

hehehehehehe

mr-charisma · Post by **mr-charisma** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 7:14 pm

sublime19 wrote:First of all, I've never done anything hands on to my car. But that's besides the point - Sure I'm basing my comments on what I've read and heard but is it not true that:

You have a much higher chance of successfully pulling off a conversion without ongoing problems than turbo'ing 6a12?

I'm not saying you can't do it, when I said "EASIER", I meant it's more efficient to do a conversion cos you have a higher chance of pulling it off. Just because you got yours right doesn't mean everybody else will.

If you have the money for it, at least you know exactly what it is that you have to do with a much less chance of something going wrong and in the end more potential to pull more power?

Do I need to have done this myself to say any of that?

Honestly, the thing that sparked me off is the way you completely disregard everybody's opinion and start flaming them. When koolio posted his comment, you over reacted way too much. Then again, in the post which you started with "Well this thread has got quite heated", you're correcting people who know far more about it than you ever will.

And as for cleaning up the thread - The first sh*t you need to cut out is the way you talk to people. Didn't you get banned from these very forums for doing the same thing couple of years back?

I don't think you're in any position to clean up anything unless you cut yourself out of the thread altogether. Seriously, pull your head out of your own ass and have some respect when you talk to people instead of blowing up at them.

EDIT:
And pete_gpx's comment was fkn idiotic. The way he wrote is posts is exactly what we don't need on these forums, he's sparking arguements and you're egging him on? Yea, great job you're doing.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt to explain yourself & the best you can do is "It's what I heard everyone else saying"???

FFS mate, Back up your posts with some facts & you won't get flamed, simple as that..

Seriously, I don't see how it is so hard to keep posts to factual information & not just "this is what I heard everyone saying"
For example;

Turbo conversion:
- $6k-10k
+/- 50-60 FWkw increase

Turbo conversion + forged Internals:
- $10-25k
+/- 100 FWkw decrease

Supercharger conversion
- $5k-7k
+/- 40-50 FWkw increase

6a13 Turbo conversion
- $10k-30k+
+/- 170 - 200 FWkw increase
NOS setup:
-$2-3k -
+/- 40 FWkw increase

6a13 Turbo + NOS:
- $10-30k + $2-3k
+/- 180- 250 FWkw increase + faster turbo spool (Chance of blowing something up cause it hasn't been done yet)

I'm not going to go into any specifics, but I would suggest that you go & read through the Turbo section .. specifically read through Jeff & Danny's 6a13 conversions ..
Before I bought this car I made it a point to read the entire thing cover to cover & extract every bit of info that related to problems that were encountered throughout the process..

EDIT:
And pete_gpx's comment was fkn idiotic. The way he wrote is posts is exactly what we don't need on these forums, he's sparking arguements and you're egging him on? Yea, great job you're doing.

Didn't you just have a go at Simon for this type of thing? Hypocrit much?

(Almost forgot this was removed from the "How much KW does your FTO have thread" so I might go paste my little Cost vs Power Increase table into there

)

Post by **vipfto** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 7:50 pm

aza013 wrote:I8A4RE & sublime19 do you two need a room hehehehehehe

you mean if subbie is in a sheep costume and they need a paddock

sublime19 · Post by **sublime19** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:18 pm

Mr C - I think you missed the point completely. That doesn't make me a hypocrite. Pete_gpx abused somebody else in the same manner simon did (which was my problem to begin with), me writing that comment makes me a hypocrite how?

Once again, me having read it and heard doesn't make it wrong, what I wrote are facts, which you yourself proved by your comment above, 6a13 = more worthwhile due to it being the safer way for forced induction with more overall power gains with less risks of problems arising. You reading the whole thread or 10 books on mechanical engineering doesn't change a thing, you missed my point entirely, if you can't figure out the simple message I'm getting across, forget it.

Post by **I8A4RE** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:00 pm

sublime19 wrote:Mr C - I think you missed the point completely. That doesn't make me a hypocrite. Pete_gpx abused somebody else in the same manner simon did (which was my problem to begin with), me writing that comment makes me a hypocrite how?

Once again, me having read it and heard doesn't make it wrong, what I wrote are facts, which you yourself proved by your comment above, 6a13 = more worthwhile due to it being the safer way for forced induction with more overall power gains with less risks of problems arising. You reading the whole thread or 10 books on mechanical engineering doesn't change a thing, you missed my point entirely, if you can't figure out the simple message I'm getting across, forget it.

It takes you all day to post in this thread and once again you cant back up what you say. Your full of sh*t. Did you just happen to miss my post???? I dont think so. I'll ask it again...

Who have i abused? Read back through the thread

YOU HAD A GO AT ME FOR FLAMING PEOPLE AND THEN AFTER YOU CARRYING ON A LITTLE SCHOOL YOU STILL CANT ANSWER MY QUESTION.

But the best thing is.....

its all in writing and everytime you post, trying to dig yourself out the sh*t, double the amount falls back on you. Its an absolute riot.

I got some wise words for ya subbie
If after 20mins of sitting at the poker table, you havent worked out who the patsy is............then your the patsy bahahahahhahaha.

Post by **Supplanter** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:02 pm

Why was this section split to Gibberish, it should have just been deleted

Post by **I8A4RE** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:07 pm

Supplanter wrote:Why was this section split to Gibberish, it should have just been deleted

Isnt that internet censorship?

Dan25 · Post by **Dan25** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:19 pm

I'd just like to add my own highly valued input...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I8A4RE wrote:
Supplanter wrote:Why was this section split to Gibberish, it should have just been deleted
Isnt that internet censorship?

This deserves a further...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Okay maybe not that much ^^^^^

Maybe just a...

haha

Okay, I'm done

Sugar · Post by **Sugar** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:03 am

i had a brain once, but then the wheels fell off.

sugar.

jonowong · Post by **jonowong** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:23 am

f**k the lot of youse

mr-charisma · Post by **mr-charisma** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:42 am

Christ this thread has gotten stupid!
.. mostly due to Sublime's posts & I couldn't be bothered trying to convince Subbie he has the wrong idea..

Sad though,

I really think this could have been a pretty helpful & informative thread if there wasn't so much BS going on.. :roll

sugar.

Sugar · Post by **Sugar** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:03 am

your not sugar!

sugar.

d_dan · Post by **d_dan** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 6:17 am

i have a 6a12T @ 6psi putting out 267BHP or 199.1 KW
I also have a 6a12T @ 11psi i dont know what the power is yet as im waiting for it to be mapped

d_dan · Post by **d_dan** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 6:42 am

(iv built one 6a12T MIVEC decompressed running 11psi)
and I own another 6a12T MIVEC uncompressed running 6psi
So iv seen both aspects of turboing the 6a12 MIVEC

koolio1234 wrote:My understanding from what you guys have said here on the forum is that turboing a 6a12 mivec is quite hard to do without experiencing serious problems (ie oil starvation in parts of the engine, incompatibility of mivec cams or something along those lines). If this isnt the case then I'd be interested to know why more fto owners dont turbo the 6a12 mivec.

BAH... thats a load of bull!
"people not turboing 6a12 mivecs over non mivecs"
Heres one... how many on mivec 6a12 conversion do you see?
...How many mivec 6a12 turbo's do you see?

Exactly id say thres more mivec turbos out there than non mivec's

Oil starvation thats cr4p too sounds to me like somone had a dodgey engine. (yes im upgrading my oil pump but thats just to have a good condition one fitted and to have more pressure

Cam incompatibility again thats ca4p.
I have adjustable camgears and i got these custom made for my more powerfull setup and I dont actually need to adjust them at all but to perfect it im going to retard the intake cam slightly.

furthermore mivec and boost... best setup for that is lowering the mivec point to where im building boost from as will be running i higher profile cam the whole way through boost rather than waiting till the turbo starts to max out

Post by **I8A4RE** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 8:06 am

@d_dan, nice mate very well put. Seriously if i hear the words oil starvation again im gonna go mental. Your comment about mivec turbo being more common than gr, i completely agree, there is way more mivec ones and anyone who has done the tinest bit of research would know this.

@ Mr C, dont worry mate once all the fun is over i will split the thread again so people dont have to read all the bs.

@ Mr C & db.......... sugar. Your not sugar bahahahahahahahahah nice