Security System

Blaze · Post by **Blaze** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 12:57 pm

Guys,
I just bought an FTO with no alarm nor central lock or other security. I never bought any car security sytem before. I am about to buy and install a new one.
Anyone could give idea about reasonable spec/price and where to get/install it?
What sort of alarm you guys have in your FTO?
As a benchmark, I've got a quote from Strathfield Car Radio.
The security system is Black Widow BW10000 remote alarm + BW850 immobilizer for $550 (installed), which is a little bit out of my budget. It is one of the security systems listed/approved on NRMA website. Also, in the near future, thinking to sign up an insurance.
To save installation cost(about $200), I was thinking to DIY the installation.
Have you ever installed it? What special tools/circuit detector i need to use? I realize it will take a couple hours for specialist to do it.
Any comment appreciated.

Post by **smorison** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 1:34 pm

for the cost of the car and or insurance excess i wouldn't be installing it myself. Also check out other insurance companies you will find many like justcars / shannons / yuong and cool are a lot cheaper. the savings from this you can put towards your alarm.

check out the FTO Information link i'm sure i have information in there about insurers

hope this helps.

MattG · Post by **MattG** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 1:36 pm

Check with your insurance company first. Some companies on some cars demand that you have a tracker system installed, others demand an alarm with immobliser of minimum 2 or 3 point.
Check if the alarm you are thinking of complies to the australian standards (it should if it is on the NRMA website).
Get all the options you think you may want installed, becuase if you find later you wanted that option it will cost a lot more to put in.

My alarm cost about $800 (fully installed). I think it was well worth the cost considering it has saved my car at least once that I know of.

M@

Daz_FTO · Post by **Daz_FTO** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 2:45 pm

I got a Brant code hopping 3 point immobilizer/alarm/remote central locking installed into mine after i bought it - as it came with nothing. It set me back about $600ish i think.

http://www.brant.com.au/html/carsec.htm
They are pricey but as all know, better spending a little now on security rather than pay excesses when a car gets stolen..

TheSentry · Post by **TheSentry** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 2:46 pm

Blaze wrote:As a benchmark, I've got a quote from Strathfield Car Radio.
The security system is Black Widow BW10000 remote alarm + BW850 immobilizer for $550 (installed), which is a little bit out of my budget.

In regards to the immobilizer, did strathfield tell you how many points it is? From my experience it'd most likely be 2. I have the BW-10000 in my car with the 3 point immobiliser as it was required for insurance. If your in Sydney I can give you the details of the installer who did mine. Great bloke and you'll save money as well.

FT-TRO2 · Post by **FT-TRO2** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 4:38 pm

Yo dude, I would highly NOT recommend that you try and install it yourself...

First of all, Insurance companies clearly state that alarms must be professionally installed. Meaning that it must be fitted by a licensed technician.

Secondly, an alarm is only as good as its installer. You could have the top of the line alarm but if not fitted properly or done well, the alarm could be easily by-passed.

If you want a fairly affordable australian approved alarm, give Auto Micro at Kogarah a call. They advertise on the trading post weekly...
They have a three point alarm and Immobiliser deal for $399 fitted I think..

Teania · Post by **Teania** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 4:46 pm

I have a Black Widow - Always found them really good - (programmable options are handy.) Black Widow will do their own install. Website: www.blackwidow.com.au

Blaze · Post by **Blaze** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 5:56 pm

[quote="FT-TRO2"]First of all, Insurance companies clearly state that alarms must be professionally installed. Meaning that it must be fitted by a licensed technician.

FT-TRO2, i agree with your point, and basically all of you, really appreciate it. Fitting it by ourselves will not have a warranty either, rite?
TheSentry, I did find that it was 2-point immobilizer. To my knowledge, starter and fuel disable.
I will check more details and options. Cheers.

HEK-71Q · Post by **HEK-71Q** » Fri Oct 10, 2003 5:43 pm

hey there.....yeah i have the same problem, i have no alarms whatsoever for a month... juzz dependin on my freekin clublock hahahah...tomorrow im gettin BRANT car alarm installed on my car, Nemesis with 6 point immobiliser. it'll cost me 990 + 150 for central locking. i strongly recommend BRANT as they have a great rep in car security. i was gonna ask u guys what car alarms u would recommend....black widow, boomerang, mongoose...etc...

D-TRAIN · Post by **D-TRAIN** » Sat Oct 11, 2003 6:20 pm

If you want to insure your car, you're going to need an immobiliser/alarm of some sort. I doubt very much you can get it insured without one.

Also, I think since a couple of years ago, all new cars in Australia are required to have an engine immobiliser fitted.

With FTO, I think an immboliser is standard for the 1997 and above models. The previous other years, I think they were options.

But best check it with a car security specialist to have a peace of mind!

GPXXX · Post by **GPXXX** » Mon Oct 13, 2003 10:47 pm

mate, i witnessed the installation process of my car alarm (which took about 6hrs) and let me tell you it's a real bitch (because a lot of the areas for the wiring are not easily accessible) and IMO it is definitely worth paying extra for professionals to fit it for you...

airbornespanner · Post by **airbornespanner** » Mon Oct 13, 2003 11:03 pm

had a bit of a prbblem with my insurer over the installation of my alarm, as they wanted it "profesionally" installed , having seen how some were installed I convinced them that I could install it more profesionally and more securley with a three point system ie starter, fuel pump and ignition isolation. They agreed and passed it, just goes to show you that they can be persuaded !! I also feel that fitted it yourself ,( if you have a bit of knowledge and help will make it more secure as there is no 3rd party that know's how it is set up . Thats just my own opinion.

IND38T · Post by **IND38T** » Tue Oct 14, 2003 8:49 pm

Hehehe ... i have brant nemesis alarm... crazy sh*t .... watched the guy do it ... took him many hours ... 6 point immobolizer ... i think its the same as the wrx... the only thing it wont stop is someone towing my car away

i think the amount of money u spend on an alarm is how safe u'll feel when u are out watching a movie

ANBU_fto · Post by **ANBU_fto** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 5:28 pm

can anyone reccomend me an alarm system???

i twas thinking about the "boomerrang alarm" systems...
but that will set me back a fair bit....

is it worth it???
help

FTO338 · Post by **FTO338** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 8:05 pm

I had Boomerrang before & is a good "gadget" alarm, it had lots of features provide you installed them all. But I hardly use any of those "gadget" when i had it, its good for show, but not the best for its money in terms of security.

In my opinion, tt doesn't which alarm system/brand u pick, but these are the feature i would look out for.

Minimum 3 points immobilizer
All black wires
Battery backup
Dual shock sensor

And if you planning for a good I.C.E system then i would advise you to get either ultrasonic or microwave sensor, as some thief would break your door open, & let the alarm go off for a while, then come back for the "good".

As your door already open, your alarm won't go off again, so the only way the alarm will trigger off again is if you installed a Ultrasonic or microwave sensor. Theres so more tip for alarm, which i posted before, do a search & u find them.

thecook · Post by **thecook** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 8:17 pm

and fi they are quick
and if your alarm wires arnt black
they can cut your wires easily, and they can even cut the wire for the siren

i reckon its easy to steal things inside a car, even with a alarm and a few other security, the theif just has to be quick and immuni to loud noises lol

ANBU_fto · Post by **ANBU_fto** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 9:26 pm

kool thanks for all that

Guni_GuGu · Post by **Guni_GuGu** » Sun Jun 27, 2004 12:55 am

How does a microware sensor actually work?

Because I know, I gave the installers my microwave sensor, but fucked if I know where they put it, and I have to question it's ability to "sensor"...

Does it matter if it's visibile or not? and is there an easy way to test it? I understand it can also detect outside of the car?

FTO338 · Post by **FTO338** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 12:42 pm

It usually sit at the middle of your car, most likely inside your center compartment box. It generate a microwave dome, which should only cover the whole inside of your car. Since its works on electro wave, it won't matter if its visible or not.

For external, you need a dual stage shock sensor, which picks up vibration from shocks & knocks.

Bretto · Post by **Bretto** » Wed Jun 30, 2004 10:35 am

Did any of you guys have an existing Factory Remote Locking before fitting an Alarm?? I got a bloke to look at mine and he said that he would fit an "universal Upgrade Alarm". This attaches to the existing receiver. The Cost would be $495. This includes Battery Backup and glass breakage detection. The thing I dont like is that there is no ultrasonics with this one and I thought the price is high considering it is just an attachment. Also wants another $200 to attach the power windows the remote as well.
Is this a good option? Is the price too high? Am I better pulling out the factory receiver, and installing a new alarm from stratch???

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