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Maybe he's just trying to blow it up so he can throw a 6A13 in there.

He did mention throwing a 6A13 in if it ever blows up....

Would doing a 6A13 conversion be cheaper than to turbo the 6A12?

I will ask Rowan what he's spent on it but I think it's going to come in at around 3-4K so far doing it on the cheap, but that's based on his Chinese turbo that he may be throwing away.
Add in the cost of his genuine Precision turbo which is sitting here (that was supposed to be for later on but he may now be fitting it sooner) which was over 1K for a reconditioned unit and you can see it jumps up a bit.
Also looks possible that his Turbosmart wastegate isn't genuine so he will probably junk that and buy a new genuine one at two to three times the price he paid for the copy. (waiting on Turbosmart to verify if it's genuine but I doubt it is)

His exhaust work (up and down pipe and wastegate pipes) came in a $1000 and I think the guy had underquoted him.
Spent several hundred dollars on just clips and pipes, I reckon the whole IC setup has ended up costing over $1000 and it's not as if they are welded joins, this was a bit of a surprise.

Still not bad really and he's done it in about 8 weeks.

It doesn't have a catch can on yet (it's on order), but we've noticed it smoking/puffing out of the breather pipe that normally goes into the intake, it's a bit of a chimney.
Could have been doing this before but we wouldn't have noticed due to it going into the intake.

Is this normal or does he need to bring forward his plans for forged pistons (which will come with new rings which is what i'm suspecting)?

Does it puff out smoke through the breather even when it's idling?

Noticed when they were tuning mine and giving it some real beans, when they released the throttle it gave out a puff of smoke from the breather. Tuner says that's normal when your not bypassing it back into the intake. It doesn't do it on idle though.

dazjb wrote:Does it puff out smoke through the breather even when it's idling?

Noticed when they were tuning mine and giving it some real beans, when they released the throttle it gave out a puff of smoke from the breather. Tuner says that's normal when your not bypassing it back into the intake. It doesn't do it on idle though.

Yeah when it's idling, I think it's running rich too but haven't been in the car much myself.
I need to do some logging with the emanage and check what happening with the extra fuelling as i'm not sure that the injector sizing is that good - where you put in what injectors were in and what are now in and it's supposed to compensate, think I will have to manually trim his fuelling.
Or he may have a leaky injector.

Maybe after I sort his fuelling this puffing will go away.
I think the tuners added some ignition advance into mine at idle when it was supercharged, wonder if this will help him.

Yep I've also had some timing advance mapped into mine on the idle. You can alter the idle with timing as well as the VE table.

You can check for a leaking injector by pulling the fuel rail out and using tie wraps to secure the injectors to the rail .. then prime the fuel system with the ignition on. Here's how I secured mine ...

Thanks Daz, I presume it will spray out like that and then should stop and you can check for drips?

No, that's a batch fire I did through the ecu to check the spray pattern and firing order. Would have thought once the fuel system is primed up to pressure a leaking injector would show itself.

dazjb wrote:No, that's a batch fire I did through the ecu to check the spray pattern and firing order. Would have thought once the fuel system is primed up to pressure a leaking injector would show itself.

Oh yeah of course, injectors shouldn't activate without the ecu telling them.

New genuine Turbosmart wastegate is on the way from Gameon (I confirmed the dealers genuine-ness with Turbosmart).

Crappy GT35 Chinese copy turbo has been removed - actually looks ok, turbine etc but thinking it could be bad tolerances causing it to not make as much boost as it should or bad design?

Despite my advice he's fitting this (on the right):

Precision Turbo 6765
It looks too big, I've been told it's too big (by a firm that sounds like they know what they are talking about) but here we are and he's already bought it and got it here so right now he has nothing to lose (has he?).
Hasn't been sized based on anything other than bigger is better, this Turbo is rated at 900bhp and I just don't think this little 2L V6 is gonna spin it and that he'll get boost even later, in fact it may drive like it's NA, I hope i'm wrong though.

If he gets boost but late on then we're hoping that the Turbo cams which should have just arrived at RPW will help.

If they still don't help then the plan at this stage (and things may and probably will change) is to add a supercharger and twin charge it and hope this will help spin up the turbo quicker.
Just low boost with the supercharger aiming for 5-6psi from 2000rpm and then need a switch over kind of valve / bypass to bypass the supercharger and let the Turbo in (and then his engine goes BANG - well hopefully not)

I've had a think about what kind of valve we can use to do this switch over - bypass valves, wastegates etc and I don't think they will be large enough so I've been thinking that maybe one like what they have on exhausts may do it triggering it when the turbo makes a certain amount of boost. (that's to let the turbo in) and a standard bypass valve for the supercharger.
Early days on that one though and if he goes down that route I will start a new thread.

He would need a supercharger (luckily I have a spare) and the means to mount it, charge cooler for the SC and use his IC up front for the Turbo.
All sounds complicated and a bit of a nightmare but i'm not so sure it is, more research required though.

I think that ultimately he wants Rich Battys title - well his V6 one at any rate, but wants to use the FTO engine not a VR4. It's early days but Rowan is aiming for high horsepower, but I'm just not sure the engine will take it even with forged internals, Richard didn't exactly have smooth sailing with the VR4 when he upped the power and had driveshaft, gearbox and crank issues.
I may sound quite negative but i'm really trying not to be, just being realistic, hell it's not my money that he's throwing at it so i'm here to help him out where I can and good on him for trying I suppose.

They're both too big

Bennoz wrote:They're both too big

Yeah when he got the first one I thought that was too big, then when the precision one arrived I thought wtf..

He's got another one here, much smaller with a T3 flange but his up pipe has a T4 flange on it, surely it's not a big deal getting a plate made up to convert T3 to T4.

Even a smaller turbo (a lot smaller) will put out more power than the engine can handle, and if forged, box won't handle it.

Vectose wrote:

Even a smaller turbo (a lot smaller) will put out more power than the engine can handle, and if forged, box won't handle it.

Nek minnut custom gearbox.

f**k me, that turbo is huge.

What sort of figures is he aiming for? Bearing in mind that fto-007 threw wads of cash at the 6A12, and even with all that and an extra 0.1L capacity the best he managed to my knowledge on 98RON was 355hp @20PSI.

Oh he wants way more than that, not sure what figure he has in mind but going off the size of turbos he keep getting.
I'd be happy getting close to that.

I'd be happy with 170kw. well, I guess you'll see what the 6A12 can take any way, and if it pops, it pops.

Twincharged 6A13?

bjk wrote:I'd be happy with 170kw. well, I guess you'll see what the 6A12 can take any way, and if it pops, it pops.

Twincharged 6A13?

Yeah maybe.

I think he comparing to when he had the R8 maloo but forgetting that everything is beefier inside those engines than ours.
(and the Maloo blew up before he had a chance to do anything to it)

Twincharged 6A12 would be cool enough, overkill but cool.
Is anyone getting a big hike in power low down or is it always like above 4000rpm?